[tomtom]

Have you reached for the wrong medication this morning Will?

You know no better than any of us what makes Farage do or think what he does!!!

[Oldmanmatt]

He’s a “backdoor” Facist.

Such people rarely arrive advertising the extent of their odious desires, they drip feed their bile into society, hidden behind smiles and catchy slogans.

I’m quite certain, that when the National Socialists were voted into power, they did not campaign on the slogan “We shall gas the Jews and bring about the greatest war in human history”.

However, a great deal of their rhetoric prior to their rise to power, shared far too much common ground with the rhetoric of Farage (and his ilk) therefore the comparison (or at least the inference of the possibility of progression to comparable status) is quite justified.

We are witnessing the subversion of one if the worlds more robust democracies, by a corrupt president and powerful political party usurped by the religious right, the very real possibility of a virtual collapse in our own system of government, an impending environmental catastrophe that dwarfs those things mentioned previously in this sentence  and yet you find the possibility of Farage being capable of full on Nazi tendencies implausible or too distasteful to suggest?

Simply put. I made a joke, of the black humour variant.

However, I have absolutely no qualms in suggesting that it is not far from the truth of the man’s character.
I have no difficulty picturing him as an eager and ardent follower of the likes of Facism and National Socialism, if circumstances permitted him to be thus.
I think your faith in humanity is touching, Will, but frankly, I think we’re better off stamping on the snakes head, the moment we detect a hint of “Rattlesnakeness” rather than wait for the DNA test results.

 

[tomtom]

Good post OMM

Remember Poppers theory of fascism/extremism?

[tommytwotone]

Brexit claims another Tory PM.

Now - where's that Cameron "chaos under Ed Miliband" tweet?

[galpinos]

 Well, my affluent left leaning corner of south west Manchester were out voting in droves last night, both polling stations I visited had queues (mix up with polling stations due to address change). To give you the vibe of where I live, I was nearly knocked over by a father and daughter unicycling to vote wearing EU top hats.

[kelvin]

Farage is roughly the same age as me.
It seemed blatantly obvious to me, despite growing up in a completely white village of 10,000 people that racism was wrong.
Nigel meantime was parading around with, and a member of, the National Front.
He may well have changed his opinion, I know I have on many things since my teens but seeing as he posed for a poster about rivers of immigrants... I'm inclined to think that he's not changed his spots so much.

[SA Chris]

Brexit claims another Tory PM.

Cue another bunfight over leadership, play for time, new proposal, proposal rejected, clock runs out.

And which of that shower of shits would you like to have in charge?

[Oldmanmatt]

Fuck me!

Posted, drained my coffee, went to the bank and the carpet was yanked out while my back was turned.



If (if) we now end up with a BoJo or equivalent PM, there is nothing that parliament can do to override, veto or restrain that PM, who can deliver immediately a “No Deal” Brexit by executive function. At least, that’s a legal opinion I read in the Times yesterday (scrabbling to find link, wait out).

I actually didn’t think she’d quit. I almost respected her for trying to do the best for the country in an appalling situation (because if we had to leave, her deal was the best we could hope for).

[Oldmanmatt]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mps-couldn-t-stop-no-deal-under-new-prime-minister-tories-warn-k59db9nq7?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1558681126

[tommytwotone]

I was talking to my other half about this theoretical scenario last night, which I think is eminently possible (and also terrifying at the same time)...I'm calling this now so I can say "I told you so" later:

• [/size]Tories win (sizeable lead / slim majority)
• [/size]"Big beasts" rumbling about Maybot's calling of election, not pushing home advantage
• [/size]Maybot resigns / gets the boot
• [/size]BoJo PM

[/size]So we'll have been round in a massive circle, to end up with a Tory govt with a similar sized majority, and an unelected PM.

Then of course, the Brexit omnishambles begins...

This has stood the test of time pretty well.

[Oldmanmatt]

I was talking to my other half about this theoretical scenario last night, which I think is eminently possible (and also terrifying at the same time)...I'm calling this now so I can say "I told you so" later:

• [/size]Tories win (sizeable lead / slim majority)
• [/size]"Big beasts" rumbling about Maybot's calling of election, not pushing home advantage
• [/size]Maybot resigns / gets the boot
• [/size]BoJo PM

[/size]So we'll have been round in a massive circle, to end up with a Tory govt with a similar sized majority, and an unelected PM.

Then of course, the Brexit omnishambles begins...

This has stood the test of time pretty well.

Freakin Nostradamus, mate!

[tomtom]

Corbyn will now face his third Tory leader opposite...

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1131870218156945408?s=21

Whodathunkit?

[Oldmanmatt]

You know, suddenly, there’s √0 Euro election coverage...

It’s just possible the best thing about May’s resignation and the impending new PM, might be the complete overshadowing of  Farage’s moment of glory.

Please?

[TobyD]

You know, suddenly, there’s √0 Euro election coverages...

It’s just possible the best thing about May’s resignation and the impending new PM, might be the complete overshadowing of  Farage’s moment of glory.
Please?

Along with the fact that on the almost certain inauguration of a staunch leaver, whether it's Johnson or someone else, they'll actually have to put up a plan since they've been universally distinctly unpleasant to Theresa May for 3 years, they'll look pretty stupid if it turns out they have even less of an idea than she did.

[teestub]

Corbyn will now face his third Tory leader opposite...

Whodathunkit?

And despite this has not managed to make up any significant ground in the polls!

[tommytwotone]

You know, suddenly, there’s √0 Euro election coverages...

It’s just possible the best thing about May’s resignation and the impending new PM, might be the complete overshadowing of  Farage’s moment of glory.
Please?

Along with the fact that on the almost certain inauguration of a staunch leaver, whether it's Johnson or someone else, they'll actually have to put up a plan since they've been universally distinctly unpleasant to Theresa May for 3 years, they'll look pretty stupid if it turns out they have even less of an idea than she did.

But isn't that actually the plan - put forward any old BS, knowing that the EU will not agree to it?

They get to play the hard man ("they always cave at the last minute" etc), and when it all goes to pot then it's just the No Deal exit they wanted in the first place.

Oh well, what can we do - nasty old EU's fault that one. Now let's start ramping up the privatisation of the NHS and getting the chlorinated chicken rolling in.

[abarro81]

Corbyn will now face his third Tory leader opposite...

Whodathunkit?

And despite this has not managed to make up any significant ground in the polls!

You'd think that if BJ becomes leader it would be a prime opportunity to for Labour mop up a bunch of middle-ground voter who think he's a bit of a dick... I fear that this won't happen with JC at the helm

[dunnyg]

I think they aren't allowed to report on some aspects of the voting until voting has finished in all area, which isn't until sunday evening. Thats why there is no coverage .

[monkoffunk]

Corbyn will now face his third Tory leader opposite...

Whodathunkit?

And despite this has not managed to make up any significant ground in the polls!

You'd think that if BJ becomes leader it would be a prime opportunity to for Labour mop up a bunch of middle-ground voter who think he's a bit of a dick... I fear that this won't happen with JC at the helm

I feel like this has been the case for years.

[DAVETHOMAS90]

I find this really sad.

Desperately difficult position for Theresa May to have found herself in, and you must surely feel for her.

Unfortunately, I get the impression that the mantra of "The Will of The People" became something she couldn't reassess, in order to suppress her own sentiment.

She was trying to serve an office she honoured on the one hand, while denying her own being.

I wished she'd honoured her own sentiment more.

[SA Chris]

I feel for her too (only a little bit though); she knew what she was up against when she took the position on, no-one forced it upon her, maybe she took it on under a misguided belief in her own capabilities and popularity both within the party and with the general public, and made a terrible misjudgement with the snap GE, which she called thinking the result would make her life easier, but it backfired badly. She should have resigned then, but soldiered on, latterly continually trying to pull slightly different coloured rabbits out of the same hat and not impressing anyone

[SamT]

I don't feel sorry for her. Not even a little bit I'm afraid.  Remember the 'immigrants go home' van campaign.

As you say, she knew what she wanted, knew what she was signing up for.  She just wanted the '2nd female prime minister' badge to wear.

[spidermonkey09]

I haven't got a shred of sympathy for her. She decided at the outset to pursue a damaging policy of legitimising No Deal and alienating 48% of the population. That stupidity on top of the immigration van campaign Sam mentioned and the Windrush scandal, which she was responsible for as previous home secretary, is inexcusable. She makes Cameron look like a model of competence. Good riddance, although god knows whats next.

[DAVETHOMAS90]

Please let me just say, it's not about sympathy, but about a human being - and one who wanted to do her duty as well as possible.

Whether she made the right choices and/or decisions is a separate matter.

Reaching out to the person on the other side of the table is the challenge we all need to try to face - in that respect, I very much echo Will's sentiments above.

It's very easy to apply labels to satisfy our own enmity.

[teestub]

Please let me just say, it's not about sympathy, but about a human being - and one who wanted to do her duty as well as possible.

I guess this depends on what her ‘duty’ was really. Certainly as foreign secretary the things that she carried out as part of her ‘duty’ were reprehensible, and her time as PM has not been much better.

This was not a role that was thrust upon her, but one she put herself forward for and has done a terrible job of.