[Oldmanmatt]

On a more relevant note...

Today’s Tory revolt might prove significant.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/18/mps-pass-amendment-seeking-to-thwart-no-deal-prorogation?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1563453725

[Oldmanmatt]

Slightly less relevant, but more amusing, is the “Tuckered” account’s take on the day’s news:

“Daily News Roundup

-Blond man-child waves fish

Catastrophic cuntnado, Boris Johnson, waved a smoked kipper at a bunch of pensioners yesterday to illustrate just what petty arseholes the EU are, in a bid to become the next PM.

He insisted that when mailing fish (which we all do on a regular basis) we'll now be forced to include a little plastic pillow, and that crashing the economy would be the best way to avoid this.

His claims were later refuted by the EU, who said that the bizarre measure was actually implemented by our own fucking government.

- MPs cancel their holidays

MPs voted on a motion to try and  prevent the likely next PM, Boris Johnson, from proroguing parliament, thereby allowing the UK to crash out of the EU on Halloween to appease a handful of geriatric, piss scented Blitz obsessives, Express readers, and the north. Thank fuck.

-Trump considering some form of hand gesture to connect with his voters

After the storming success of his recent racist Tweets, President Shit-for-brains stoked his lobotomised, slack-jawed, sister fucking followers up into a rabid, bigoted, frenzy by getting them all to chant 'Send Her Back!' to a woman who has always been there.

As we speak he's pricing up giant iron eagles, having a radical flag rethink,  and getting his staff measured up for their new Hugo Boss uniforms.”

[andy popp]

Kind of surprised this thread has been quiet for so long. Has everyone just given up/ in despair (for want of better words, I don't really mean given up as such)?

[fatneck]

I'm personally so disillusioned with the whole debacle that I'm in a kind of sit back and watch kind of place. It's so mind-bendingly fascinating, I can't really sort it all into a sensible thing to comprehend....

And then this happens - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Unbelievable!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[tomtom]

Kind of surprised this thread has been quiet for so long. Has everyone just given up/ in despair (for want of better words, I don't really mean given up as such)?

Yup. Been actively avoiding news on it....

Today’s developments are both a surprise and (sadly) not a surprise if you get what I mean.

[mrjonathanr]

Taking back control.

From the people, to the executive.

[seankenny]

Who would have thought that a project spearheaded by a Putinesque gang of spivs, chancers and populists, which weaponised fear of outsiders, should turn out to sideline Parliament in pursuit of their ideal...

...Brexit is an authoritarian's game, and if you're not an authoritarian but voted for it, you've been had.

[slab_happy]

Grauniad's got a liveblog going:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/aug/28/spending-review-set-for-next-week-fuels-election-speculation-live

Petition (does fuck-all except register one's protest but hey, it takes 10 seconds):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

[TobyD]

It's really pretty depressing to be honest. Sterling is plummeting, come November all our food will go through the roof as the old fuckers who voted leave will stockpile everything as they're retired anyway. I know this is not entirely accurate and a massive generalisation but the current situation just makes me angry. It'll spell the beginning of the end of any small scale farming in the UK. I don't believe there will be an instant catastrophe on November 1st, just a slow slide into recession, decreasing living standards and quality of life. Still, at least we'll have our fucking independence eh.

[dunnyg]

Most importantly, future trips to Europe and the states are going to get more expensive too...

[tomtom]

Most importantly, future trips to Europe and the states are going to get more expensive too...

Going to..? Have been. Since 2016 with the £ decline....

Stockpile those rock boots people...

[fatneck]

Parliament officially prorogued...

[SA Chris]

I don't believe there will be an instant catastrophe on November 1st, just a slow slide into recession, decreasing living standards and quality of life. Still, at least we'll have our fucking independence eh.

+1

Reopens another can of worms up here too...

[Oldmanmatt]

Kind of surprised this thread has been quiet for so long. Has everyone just given up/ in despair (for want of better words, I don't really mean given up as such)?

Yes.

It’s beyond our control.

No point in even writing to your MP, because even the vaguest hint of democratic process has been ripped from this.
All based on a snapshot of public opinion, one day, three years ago.

[Oldmanmatt]

I don't believe there will be an instant catastrophe on November 1st, just a slow slide into recession, decreasing living standards and quality of life. Still, at least we'll have our fucking independence eh.

+1

Reopens another can of worms up here too...

Boiled frog syndrome.

We’re living it.
Economic issues aside, layout a timeline of reporting on Northern Ireland, over the last 5 years and tell me everything is just peachy.

[Oldmanmatt]

Actually, to clarify, I call this an escalation.

I think we should be very worried.

[andy popp]

Sorry, I didn't mean to depress everyone.

[seankenny]

Sorry, I didn't mean to depress everyone.

I’m livid about Brexit - a waste and destructive - and whilst I totally get why no one outside media/political circles is talking about it that much right now (this thread going quiet is a reflection of that) I kind of feel that we should. Sure, it’s been summer, there’s been a lull and everyone is exhausted. But we’re on the verge of something very serious.

Otoh, quite what we should be saying and whether it would help, well I’m not sure about that either.

Anyhow, thanks for the resurrection Andy.

[Oldmanmatt]

Sorry, I didn't mean to depress everyone.

I’m livid about Brexit - a waste and destructive - and whilst I totally get why no one outside media/political circles is talking about it that much right now (this thread going quiet is a reflection of that) I kind of feel that we should. Sure, it’s been summer, there’s been a lull and everyone is exhausted. But we’re on the verge of something very serious.

Otoh, quite what we should be saying and whether it would help, well I’m not sure about that either.

Anyhow, thanks for the resurrection Andy.

I quite like Hugh Grant’s take, myself. Says it all, really:

[TobyD]

It makes me feel slightly better about being totally despondent and enraged about national politics that others are equally, if not more angry. Boris Johnson turns Queen's Balmoral stay into a holiday from hell

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/28/boris-johnson-turns-queens-balmoral-stay-into-a-holiday-from-hell?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[monkoffunk]

Actually, to clarify, I call this an escalation.

I think we should be very worried.

A few months ago I was driving back from the crag and got into a sort of Brexit argument with a born and bred English/British remainer. I have joint British and Irish nationality, my mother is from the Republic and my wife’s parents are northern Irish, with my mother-in-law growing up during the height of the troubles.

We had pretty different takes on the problem with the future border. She felt maintaining the United Kingdom needed to take priority over avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland. I would rather see the United Kingdom break apart than see a hard border. I have no desire for such and outcome but I don’t see it as worth anyone’s life when it’s a self generated disaster.

I think the main difference between us was just how serious we took the issue. I don’t think people of my generation in England quite understand just how disastrous this could be. The feeling of being an oppressed people, for a few, is just under the surface, and I think those escalations could very easily just be the beginning. Along with the fruit and petrol shortages and other loss of comforts and economic strife, sectarian violence and death is unfortunately a huge worry for me, and I don’t think it’s being talked about.

[tomtom]

Original Backstop proposal was to have CU between NI and RI and have a ‘hard’ border between NI and England... which tbh makes much more sense. I suspect most in Remain voting NI would have been ok with that in some form..

But Arlene et al didn’t like it...

It’s fucking nuts that NI border is virtually ignored as an issue by many leavers....

Interesting wrt Scotland and Ruth Davidson... Tories rely on those 12 Scottish Tory MP’s.....

A GE will see some interesting ‘re balancing’ for all the parties...



I would (genuinely) like to think what any of the leavers who’ve posted on here think of BJ and the whole prorogue situation...

[fatneck]

Boris Boris what a choad
Looks like a blond haired toad
Lying, scheming Tory scum
I wouldn't even bum their mum

OR as Haiku

Depressing summer
A large, liar toad scheming
because of the choad

[Will Hunt]

Actually, to clarify, I call this an escalation.

I think we should be very worried.

A few months ago I was driving back from the crag and got into a sort of Brexit argument with a born and bred English/British remainer. I have joint British and Irish nationality, my mother is from the Republic and my wife’s parents are northern Irish, with my mother-in-law growing up during the height of the troubles.

We had pretty different takes on the problem with the future border. She felt maintaining the United Kingdom needed to take priority over avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland. I would rather see the United Kingdom break apart than see a hard border. I have no desire for such and outcome but I don’t see it as worth anyone’s life when it’s a self generated disaster.

I think the main difference between us was just how serious we took the issue. I don’t think people of my generation in England quite understand just how disastrous this could be. The feeling of being an oppressed people, for a few, is just under the surface, and I think those escalations could very easily just be the beginning. Along with the fruit and petrol shortages and other loss of comforts and economic strife, sectarian violence and death is unfortunately a huge worry for me, and I don’t think it’s being talked about.

Does this not assume that, in the event of the UK breaking up, the loyalist side wouldn't carry out acts of violence? Wouldn't any divergance from the status quo result in increased unrest?

[slab_happy]

Protests in assorted cities (inc. Sheffield) on Sat:

https://www.anothereurope.org/stopthecoup-join-the-nationwide-wave-of-protests/