[steven]

Dragons are my favourite shoe of all time, they just fit straight off the bat, does anyone have any recommendations as an alternative? Is the Hiangle an similar fit shoe?

[WillRobertson]

I’m similar to you in that the dragon fits me perfectly. The next best fit I’ve found is the women’s hiangle, a whole uk size down.

[steven]

Is the mens one no good then? Also looked at those and they seem to be out of stock in most sizes, are they being discontinued as well?

[remus]

The men's are worth trying on, I know quite a few people who get on with them. Regarding the current scarcity i think they're being replaced with a slightly modified version https://www.bananafingers.co.uk/climbing-shoes/five-ten/five-ten-hiangle-synthetic

[weakdave]

I have never tried them but scarpa Chimera look like they could do a similar job to a dragon

[WillRobertson]

Is the mens one no good then? Also looked at those and they seem to be out of stock in most sizes, are they being discontinued as well?

I just found them generally too high volume, but I have got pretty skinny feet.

[andy_e]

Also interested in this. Dragons are great for me as they have a low volume and a narrow heel. Wondering about Instinct lace, do they have a wide toe box like the Stix used to?

[sdm]

The Instinct toe box is wider than the Stix.

[andy_e]

Ta. Shame, because the heel looks decent.