[sdm]

there must be many, many voters such as me who are utterly powerless to influence the outcome at either the local or national level. Its hardly news, but the system is broken.

I have voted in every local and national election and every referendum since I turned 18. Every single time, the person or policy that I have voted for has lost.

My vote is a complete waste of time, largely because of the constituencies I have lived in. If I don't move constituencies, I can't see my vote mattering for at least a generation.

I'll keep on voting in case it influences people's tactical voting in some distant future election but I always feel conflicted when I go to vote as it feels like I am assisting propping up a broken system.

Apparently this is democracy.

[Oldmanmatt]

The risk of them propping up the tories is nil. It was a disaster last time and the LDs flagship stance on Brexit is utterly at odds with the Tories direction since.

A strong LD, SDP and Green component to a left coalition will ensure a second referendum on any Brexit deal.

It does look more likely the Cons will win a slim overall majority though.

This.
Please.

Except the last bit.


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[nai]

So Nick Clegg just knocked on the door. He wasn't going to every door, just the waiverers I guess. I assume he read on ukb earlier that I was considering Labour?

Basically, don't get your hopes up, the Tories are going to romp home.

[Oldmanmatt]

So Nick Clegg just knocked on the door. He wasn't going to every door, just the waiverers I guess. I assume he read on ukb earlier that I was considering Labour?

Basically, don't get your hopes up, the Tories are going to romp home.

Latest polls put May on a 74 seat majority, largest since Thatcher.


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[nai]

Quite an interesting read:

https://betting.betfair.com/politics/uk-politics/general-election-2017-final-predictions-070617-171.html?mi_u=6554861

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[T_B]

So Nick Clegg just knocked on the door. He wasn't going to every door, just the waiverers I guess. I assume he read on ukb earlier that I was considering Labour?

Basically, don't get your hopes up, the Tories are going to romp home.

Latest polls put May on a 74 seat majority, largest since Thatcher.


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Jeez does anyone take any notice of the polls anymore? People lie.

[jfdm]

So Nick Clegg just knocked on the door. He wasn't going to every door, just the waiverers I guess. I assume he read on ukb earlier that I was considering Labour?

Basically, don't get your hopes up, the Tories are going to romp home.

Latest polls put May on a 74 seat majority, largest since Thatcher.


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Worth a watch, the politics of hope has driven thousands out to the big rallies to listen the JC. Win or lose tomorrow, hope will prevail in the end.
The wheel I am sure is turning, slowly but it is turning.
The same message presented by somebody without as much baggage would be a sure fire winner in my book.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/video/2017/jun/07/britain-transformed-election-what-on-earth-is-going-on-video

In terms of predictions, head says Tory win, don't think it will be massive majority.
Cons may lose some big seats, think pensions, dementia tax etc will have affect.
So not a clean sweep everybody was thinking 5-6 weeks ago.
Although my guesses were wrong about last election/Brexit.

Heart says keep fingers crossed for non conservative win or failing this hung parliament.

[Oldmanmatt]

Hmmm...
I feel a bit bad now, reading this; realised how little I knew about Abbott.

https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/

Thanks to Gaz P for sharing.

[jfdm]

Hmmm...
I feel a bit bad now, reading this; realised how little I knew about Abbott.

https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/

Thanks to Gaz P for sharing.

Fantastic, thank you for sharing. Oldmanmatt.

[tomtom]

1. Nai, did you stink palm cleggy?

2.  Grauniad showed results from 10 polls from yesterday/today - results went from hung parliament to Tory majority of 100.

Go figure.

[moose]

interesting piece on the 538 about this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-the-u-k-polls-skewed/

the take-home is that polls for UK polls are historically inaccurate (twice as much as polls in other Western countries) - with a difference reason cited after every election - "last minute swing", "shy tories", "herding of polls".  The take home conclusion::

" Focus on the polling average — Conservatives ahead by 7 points — rather than only the polls you like. But assume there’s a wide range of outcomes and that the errors are equally likely to come in either direction. Given the poor historical accuracy of U.K. polls, in fact, the true margin of error on the Labour-Conservative margin is plus or minus 10 points. That would imply that anything from a 17-point Conservative win to a 3-point Labour win is possible. And even an average polling error would make the difference between May expanding her majority and losing it."

.... come Thursday night, prepare for anything....

[tomtom]

Ok. So my plan for Thursday.

Sit down - 10:01pm. Check the result of the exit poll on the BBC.

Scenarios:
1. Tory landslide (>50 majority). Telly off, Go to bed.
2. Status Quo: stay up til midnight and see if any changes
3. Hung parliament. I probably won't sleep much...

[jfdm]

Ok. So my plan for Thursday.
Sit down - 10:01pm. Check the result of the exit poll on the BBC.
Scenarios:
2. Status Quo: stay up til midnight and see if any changes

Up til midnight, staying classy with the Quo, who'd of thought it.

"Whatever you want" should have been the official lab/Jc election tune.

[mrjonathanr]

Living on an Island more like.

[jfdm]

This is how you meet the voters, make sure they aren't in.

[dave]

Just went to vote. At the door of the polling station there was a guy with a LibDem rosette with a notepad asking for people's polling numbers. Are they allowed to do this?

[Will Hunt]

It's fine as far as I'm aware. They do it so they can cross off their registered supporters and members as they turn up. Any still on the list at the end of the day get a nagging phone call to remind them how important it is to vote.

[dave]

Safe, just never seen one before, and I know there are strict rules on that type of thing.

[highrepute]

I was planning to vote Green but am a bit conflicted due to this. I don't think another inexperienced Labour MP would have much to offer in comparison, and locally the Labour council (as witnessed by the Amey Tree 'care' contract) is verging on the rotten.

Clegg bares some of the blame for this, he's responsible for the PFI that ultimately brought in Amey.

[Johnny Brown]

Interesting, you got a link? I'm on the facebook tree group but this is the first I've heard.

[highrepute]

Interesting, you got a link? I'm on the facebook tree group but this is the first I've heard.

I thought this was general knowledge, Sheffield wouldn't have got this money if Clegg hadn't been deputy prime minister.

If you believe Cleggs own website then Clegg is the saviour of Sheffield roads. If he's taking the credit here surely has to take some responsibility for the results. Labour council obviously still made a few f ups along the way.

[DAVETHOMAS90]

The Sheffield tree campaign has resulted in a lot of mud slinging - from both sides, resulting in a lot of bad press and bad feeling, which has probably harmed negotiation. It's not easy for Sheffield CC to re-negotiate the roads contract with Amey. There are some at the council who I'd say have definitely obstructed dialogue over negotiation around tree management, but in the interests of objectivity, I'd also say that I think it's wrong to say that Julie Dore (Council leader) hasn't tried to find a solution. AFAIK she has discussed the matter with other councils. I'm not saying that someone else wouldn't try harder to find a solution, but I think it's right to be wary of placing undue blame for the fiasco (potential disaster) with the trees, squarely with the current council. The trees are also a convenient political football, and for that reason, I'm not convinced that some people haven't wanted to look for more conflict than resolution. Just saying ;-)

[rich d]

More importantly my voting station today was in a pub. Result.

[nai]

So Nick Clegg just knocked on the door. He wasn't going to every door, just the waiverers I guess. I assume he read on ukb earlier that I was considering Labour?

And the Labour candidate has just phoned me.  Guess the Teller with the huge yellow rosette on the door of the polling station isn't sharing his beta.

Didn't sound as assured as Cleggster, maybe a little paniced.

Must be pretty tight.

[Oldmanmatt]

From the Times today. Editorial.