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#225 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 22, 2017, 08:33:02 pm
A difference should be made between increased partipation (frequency) by those already participating and new participants to the sport.

As for outdoor climbing Bill Gordan told Grimer that he has noticed a decline in climbers at Stanage over the years. So that's settled that  ;)

I'm assuming no is bothered about the increase in indoor climbing participants (unless they dare to venture outdoors)

Or have structured training plans...


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#226 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 22, 2017, 08:35:16 pm
I often have to queue for routes at the wall on Wednesday evening. Twunts should all feck off; nobody should be allowed in unless they are able to produce a suitably battered & mangled RP*

I otoh should have access to a continually increasing range of excellent training facilities without them having to have any means of being financially viable.

* Other pieces of vintage trad gear are available

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#227 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 28, 2017, 08:42:58 pm
 https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2017/02/28/british-mountaineering-council-board-faces-no-confidence-motion  I couldn't care less either way about the rebrand, I do however have issue with the decision making process and the cosy jobs for the boys nature of the whole setup.

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#228 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 28, 2017, 09:17:20 pm
I do however have issue with the decision making process and the cosy jobs for the boys nature of the whole setup.

Could you explain what your specific grievances are?

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#229 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 28, 2017, 09:30:21 pm
Climb Britain was just a softener - to get the old lags used to a bit of change happening. Y'know, get those jowls warmed up for a bit of extra wobbling.

Later on this year is where its at - when the BMC gets re-branded as 'Climb Faster' - complete with a new line in instructional DVD/online videos - lycra work out attire and promotional Climb Faster branded Evoques for all BMC personnel. With additional sponsorship from Tena.

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#230 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 28, 2017, 09:52:31 pm
I often have to queue for routes at the wall on Wednesday evening. Twunts should all feck off; nobody should be allowed in unless they are able to produce a suitably battered & mangled RP*

I otoh should have access to a continually increasing range of excellent training facilities without them having to have any means of being financially viable.

* Other pieces of vintage trad gear are available

RP?! Shirley you really mean that no-one else should be allowed to share "your" facilities unless they (also) have a stop-watch, a heart-rate monitor, a weight-vest, and a very serious face  ;) 

Personally, it really gets on  my tits when white-socked gym refugees get in the way of my portable blood testing lab - I nearly choke on my lactate-buffering smoothie.

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#231 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 28, 2017, 10:08:00 pm
Holy creatine Batman - what is the world coming to...

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#232 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
February 28, 2017, 10:15:12 pm
Stanage numbers may be in decline but Parisella's is rammed. Fucking BMC.

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#233 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 01, 2017, 08:00:22 am
Stanage numbers may be in decline but Parisella's is rammed. Fucking BMC.

Well, tell the other fella to move over a bit...


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#234 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 01, 2017, 08:36:18 am
Stanage numbers may be in decline but Parisella's is rammed. Fucking BMC.

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#235 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 01, 2017, 09:46:40 am
I don't know when you last went Pete, but I'm sure Derw and Hazelhoff said there was leccy now, so no need for topping up the generator with petty.

There is also some talk of a moon board installation which has met with mixed response so far and altering the rarely used right hand roof-barrel bit.


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#237 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 01, 2017, 05:14:32 pm
Where's the BMC board? And does it have leccy?

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#238 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 11:38:30 am
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2017/02/28/british-mountaineering-council-board-faces-no-confidence-motion#

Motion of no confidence tabled by Bob Pettigrew, former BMC President (named in the CC newsletter), a follow-on from the Climb Britain rebranding. The BMC executive misjudged the views of many of the membership over this, but members were given the chance to say their bit, were listened to, and the decision reversed. I don't see the point of going over it again.

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#239 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 12:02:09 pm
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2017/02/28/british-mountaineering-council-board-faces-no-confidence-motion#

Motion of no confidence tabled by Bob Pettigrew, former BMC President (named in the CC newsletter), a follow-on from the Climb Britain rebranding. The BMC executive misjudged the views of many of the membership over this, but members were given the chance to say their bit, were listened to, and the decision reversed. I don't see the point of going over it again.

It's the kind of petty, nit-picking crap; that puts people off in the first place. I see it as "Old-guard take on uppity new-guard for not doing things the way they would have".


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#240 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 12:19:08 pm
Don't really see what they hope to gain from that motion. I'm sure the top brass involved in the Climb Brexit farce will have more than learnt a lesson from that whose debacle.

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#241 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 12:36:04 pm
I suspect that anyone involved in the running of a club/charity/not for profit organisation would not find this surprising.


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#242 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 12:41:07 pm
It's got to be about more than Climb Britain though hasn't it? The exec made some decisions about Climb Britain following the usual consultation process, and then when the membership kicked off carried out a thorough consultation period and reviewed the decision. It's hardly a reason to get rid of the people involved is it?

It looks to me like old farts who don't like the concept of the BMC being involved in comps and representing indoor climbers trying to capitalise on the Climb Britain thing and oust the current set of decision makers, presumably to try and replace them with those with more conservative values. I think this would be quite damaging to the organisation in the long run.

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#243 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 12:57:27 pm
I can't see this motion gaining much traction. The BMC board should go along with the farce. Far from unseating anyone I'd have thought it will only serve to rally support for those being challenged.

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#244 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 01:23:54 pm
I' m still not sure what a vote of no confidence means, is it in the elected officers or the CEO etc. presumably the latter as the former can be voted out every so often anyway?

I'll be voting against the motion, it's hard to vote no confidence for someone making and then rectifying a mistake.

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#245 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 02, 2017, 05:33:33 pm
The future of our sport (climbing) is competitions, more specifically youth competitions and the participation they promote. Climbers who came through the youth competitions are changing our sport nationally and internationally ( Ondra, Lama, Bransby, Houlding) The BMC should be promoting it more than it does, it should be supporting the GB team more than it does, is it not doing this because it is being held back by Hillwalkers? Is the BMC stuck in the middle of two incompatible bedfellows? Could losing the huge number of members it has through hillwalking be a blessing? Should climbers support the motion tabled by the "old gits" and make a break on our own? These are the questions i have, its a debate i think we should have.

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#246 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 03, 2017, 08:41:31 am
In my experiènce it's not BMC hillwalkers who seem most upset by BMC involvement in competitions, its some trad climbers. Anyone  reading the current UKC threads on the no confidence issue will recognise this.

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#247 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 03, 2017, 09:28:06 am
 The future of climbing might be in comps if you only consider the future to revolve around upcoming top level kids and GB team winning stuff.  Neither of which are going to guarantee that in 20 years time we'll have access to any of the crags we love. 

I would argue that living on an island with an increasing population, increased uptake in climbing generally* and decreased spending on national parks the main issue for the BMC is promoting responsible use of the outdoors and an engagement in access issues. Whether there is any knock-on positive impact on that work from comps or increased participation is unknown. I would imagine that it's perfectly possible that in future years the BMC could end up sleepwalking into some total access nightmares via increased participation. Happy to be proved wrong on this.

*At the recent BMC peak meeting there was the results of some recent survey indicating that the numbers of people who do some kind of climbing activity has indeed increased of late, regardless of how busy stanage or bowden are anecdotally.

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#248 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 03, 2017, 09:45:30 am
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The BMC should be promoting it more than it does, it should be supporting the GB team more than it does

Agree, that's the impression I get. I'm not sure if this is due to lack of exec will or staff not delivering though. I guess a bit of both.

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is it not doing this because it is being held back by Hillwalkers? Is the BMC stuck in the middle of two incompatible bedfellows? Could losing the huge number of members it has through hillwalking be a blessing?

No. In my experience hillwalkers neither have much of a voice at present, nor would they opposed. Losing members of any type would just mean less money for all.

I think the lack of enthusiasm for comps is due to them mainly being a youth thing. The youths aren't representing themselves to the BMC and their parents don't seem to be either. I think this will change in the next decade as the we get a second generation of comp climbers come through with parents who know who the scene.

Having Caff as youth officer seems great, but I suspect his remit/ passions lie in getting youths to transition from indoor to outdoor. Likewise for whatever reason the climbing wall officer doesn't seem very interested in comps, maybe they need a comps officer?

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#249 Re: Why aren't you a BMC member ?
March 03, 2017, 10:00:03 am
Its an amusing quip but does it have a causal basis?

I would think it more likely that if a volunteer or in vocational employment you are in it for the cause and so therefore much more likely to be passionate about that organisation/specialism from the get-go, hence level of passionate debate (or political bitchiness depending on your viewpoint)

Aye, I suspect any truth in the "law" is due to the selection bias in academia / charities etc for committed individuals.  As the relative lack of financial compensation, compared to the work and stress involved, weeds out "the casuals".  In my experience, people who are both passionate, and a bit "chippy" from feeling undervalued, tend to be much more defensive of status and reputation. 

 

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