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#1125 Re: Trump
October 12, 2019, 09:33:27 pm
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#1126 Re: Trump
October 12, 2019, 09:50:06 pm
The weird language as to whether Giulani is still his attorney makes me think he is close to the tipping point where he is too toxic for lawyers to work for him.

I think this is actually a case of Giuliani becoming too toxic for Trump following the arrest of his two associates this (NYT reports he is under direct investigation himself, as well). But there are signs of cracks appearing, particularly the testimony yesterday of former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch against the instructions of the administration and testimony next week of Gordon Sonland, again against the instructions of the regime. There's a breaking point somewhere at which it becomes less risky and damaging to jump ship than to stay on board. If we reach that point he's finished. Its just not clear yet where that point lies.

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#1127 Re: Trump
October 12, 2019, 10:06:14 pm
The Post were speculating/implying/hinting  that the number of whistleblowers has increased significantly beyond the two known already.
So, possibly the tipping point has already been reached and it just isn’t public yet...?

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#1128 Re: Trump
October 12, 2019, 10:10:07 pm
Possibly. A friend who works at a law firm in DC told us Thursday night about rumours of a very big resignation that might be forthcoming.

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#1129 Re: Trump
October 12, 2019, 10:40:03 pm
Actually, I cannot find the article.
So, might not have been the Post, but sure I read it this morning over coffee....

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#1130 Re: Trump
October 12, 2019, 11:22:29 pm
There have been many reports of multiple whistleblowers.

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#1131 Re: Trump
October 15, 2019, 09:15:48 am
By pulling troops out of Syria I definitely didn’t mean it was ok for you to move into that area  :blink:

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#1132 Re: Trump
October 15, 2019, 12:10:42 pm
Latest

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/14/fiona-hill-testimony-trump-impeachment-inquiry

Someone like John Bolton calling Guiliani a hand grenade is telling!

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#1133 Re: Trump
October 17, 2019, 06:00:30 pm
I feel like another grenade went off.
Drowned out by the Brexit clamour and Syria massacre, it seems quite destructive, nevertheless.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/17/gordon-sondland-testimony-trump-giuliani-ukraine?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1571324417

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#1134 Re: Trump
October 17, 2019, 08:44:58 pm
Unbelievable: he only went and awarded next year's G7 event to his own Doral resort in Florida ...


... I mean, I say unbelievable, but of course, it isn't really unbelievable at all.


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#1136 Re: Trump
October 18, 2019, 12:10:20 am
I recently saw the Ukrainian affair described as "Watergate for morons," which is pretty much perfect.

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#1137 Re: Trump
October 18, 2019, 11:21:27 am
Another op ed:

"Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President
If President Trump doesn’t demonstrate the leadership that America needs, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office.
By William H. McRaven. Admiral McRaven is a former commander of the United States Special Operations Command."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/opinion/trump-mcraven-syria-military.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Plus some detailed analysis on the public views on impeachment.

https://www.people-press.org/2019/10/17/modest-changes-in-views-of-impeachment-proceedings-since-early-september/


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#1138 Re: Trump
October 20, 2019, 10:16:25 am
An excoriating article which sums up what anyone who doesn't own a make America great again cap thinks, I'd have thought.  Of all the things to be enraged about af the moment,  the callous sacrifice of the Kurds and total ignorance of a situation in which he may well have reignited ISIS as a stronger force than they were before is to my mind the most glaring.

The Observer view: a week that shows us why Donald Trump is unfit for high office

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/20/the-observer-view-week-shows-why-donald-trump-unfit-for-office?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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#1140 Re: Trump
October 20, 2019, 10:56:16 am
There was an excellent episode of the Beyond Today podcast last week about the Syrian war. The BBC Middle East correspondent is almost beside himself with anger about what has happened, he (Quentin Sommerville) normally sounds quite flat and unemotional.  Well worth listening to. 

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#1141 Re: Trump
November 06, 2019, 06:06:20 pm
This probably isn't getting much attention in the UK, but a good set of local election results last night. The headline news is the Dems taking the governorship of Kentucky, where Trump held one of his typically insane rallies on behalf of the GOP incumbent on just Monday night. But this quote stood out to me, not least as Bucks County is adjacent to mine (and a good friend was one of the lead organizers for the Democratic slate there):

“Taking a step back from KY and looking at all the elections last night, GOP should be most concerned about what happened in local elections in Chester, Delaware and Bucks County, PA,” Josh Holmes, a McConnell confidant and political strategist, wrote on Twitter. “That is genuinely alarming if you know the voting history.”

This hints for real trouble for the Republicans next year. Pennsylvania was one of three critical states Trump won by a very slim margin in 2016. They really do deserve to be crushed at the polls.

Dems also dominated in Lehigh, where I live, but its a more reliably blue county anyway.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kentucky-outcome-embarrasses-trump-and-worries-many-republicans-ahead-of-2020/2019/11/06/e6dac50c-0049-11ea-8501-2a7123a38c58_story.html

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#1142 Re: Trump
November 06, 2019, 06:38:19 pm
Moscow Mitch is a Kentucky delegate, isn’t he?

If he gets worried, Trump is done.

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#1143 Re: Trump
November 06, 2019, 07:31:09 pm
Moscow Mitch is a Kentucky delegate, isn’t he?

Senate, but yes KY. I'm not getting to excited, it doesn't mean the state is a Democrat stronghold all of a sudden. But it does show some vulnerability; embracing Trump (and being embraced by him is no longer a guarantee of electoral success, even in a red state.

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#1144 Re: Trump
November 06, 2019, 07:45:54 pm
I googled to check after posting. It turns out he has the lowest home state approval ratings of any Senator, both sides of the aisle.
This is a change since 2016
So, he may be feeling vulnerable.


If he’s capable of such self awareness.
Do Turtles have self awareness?

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#1145 Re: Trump
November 14, 2019, 01:48:38 pm
Quote from: Trump Twitter

@RepRatcliffe
 asked the two “star” witnesses, “where is the impeachable event in that call?” Both stared straight ahead with a blank look on their face, remained silent, & were unable to answer the question. That would be the end of a case run by normal people! - but not Shifty!


A quote totally out of context. Their response was they were not the people to decide whether an impeachable offence had been committed, they were purely there to answer questions.

Surely the GOP must be feeling the heat? How long before some of them break ranks? Their “questioning” in the public hearing yesterday was awful - still peddling the same old shite.

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#1146 Re: Trump
November 16, 2019, 10:47:21 am

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#1147 Re: Trump
November 16, 2019, 11:02:49 am
He makes my skin crawl. Utterly vile  :sick:

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#1148 Re: Trump
November 20, 2019, 03:42:13 pm
sounds like its all going off in the impeachment hearings right now with Sondlands testimony...

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#1149 Re: Trump
November 20, 2019, 03:47:00 pm
It sounds pretty damning. I wonder how they will try to spin it...

 

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