We should be aware that our right wing looks to America for guidance.Last month, The Times published an article in support of overturning Roe.This is the kind of fight our right wing will look to have once they overturn the Human Rights Act
Quote from: Bradders on June 24, 2022, 06:32:33 pmWherever you stand on the issue (and I am 100% pro choice), pushing major changes to society via undemocratic back door means was never going to end well.This current court - in terms of representation - and this decision - in terms of public opinion - are both profoundly anti-democratic.
Wherever you stand on the issue (and I am 100% pro choice), pushing major changes to society via undemocratic back door means was never going to end well.
He said the decision is anti-democratic, I think it is democratic Or, to put it another way, it allows for a democratic settlement of the issue.
He said the decision is anti-democratic, I think it is democratic
Or, to put it another way, it allows for a democratic settlement of the issue.
It depends if you think the way the supreme Court has been loaded with Conservative judges to be democratic or not, considering that Trump didn't win a majority of votes in 2016, and that across the US the population are strongly in favour of choice when it comes to abortion. I think its perfectly coherent to argue that given the extremely slim electoral college victory of Trump and the fact he lost the popular vote made the stacking of the SC undemocratic. On top of that, its also perfectly coherent to argue that even with a Conservative majority of judges, it is undemocratic to overturn Roe when public opinion still shows strong support for it. We haven't even got into the fact that the newer justices all said they had no problem with the precedent of Roe in their preliminary hearings...I think it misses the point. This is a matter of human rights. We don't put fundamentals of human rights to popular vote, or at least we shouldn't. That way lies total chaos and all sorts of horrible outcomes. Having a referendum on the death penalty in the UK would be democratic, it would also be profoundly wrong. That's why I think falling back on the "it's democratic" line is a bit weak, its not what responsible government and responsible lawmakers do.
Further: this same court's decision on Thursday removed the right of the state of New York to impose certain conditions on carrying guns. The concern for states' rights is extremely selective.
Quote from: Bradders on June 24, 2022, 09:34:22 pmHe said the decision is anti-democratic, I think it is democratic Or, to put it another way, it allows for a democratic settlement of the issue.Errrrrrr, I don't think democracy extends to removing people's right to healthcare? Like, should we have a vote on which genders can access cancer treatment???
Is this too soon for hope?https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/01/democrats-sarah-palin-mary-peltola-alaska-special-election
Quote from: Offwidth on September 01, 2022, 06:05:20 pmIs this too soon for hope?https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/01/democrats-sarah-palin-mary-peltola-alaska-special-electionItd be great to think that the midterms will go well for the Democrats, but I think that the Guardian's coverage is usually over optimistic about politics from their point of view, but I'd like to be proved wrong.
Much less optimism right now. Fingers crossed I'm wrong.
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