[DAVETHOMAS90]

I suppose my main reason is because I like the idea of not being "addicted" to something (other than climbing I suppose).

Do you find your coffee cravings match the current WHO International Classification of Disease (ICD-10)  Dependence Syndrome definition.

ICD-10 Clinical description
A cluster of physiological, behavioural, and cognitive phenomena in which the use of a substance rock or a class of substances rocks takes on a much higher priority for a given individual than other behaviours that once had greater value - education, work, family..

When there isn't a sea cliff nearby, a couple of strong lattes in the morning can certainly help ease the pain 

Some folk may find the following article interesting:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/may/12/alcohol-addiction-dorothy-rowe

[tim palmer]

Another factor is caffeine is a diuretic. For every cup of coffee consumed the equivalent in water should be consumed. Plus on top of that the usual amount of water. That's a lot of water. Fairly sure muscle performance, injury and hydration are linked.

Would anyone drink coffee if it didn't contain caffeine?

Coffee/caffeine has a mild diuretic effect, especially if you regularly consume it (close to negligible), I think the fact you are drinking twice the volume of liquid when you drink a cup of coffee probably explains your excessive micturition.  if you drink a cup of coffee you will still have a net gain in fluid

[rosmat]

Another factor is caffeine is a diuretic. For every cup of coffee consumed the equivalent in water should be consumed. Plus on top of that the usual amount of water. That's a lot of water. Fairly sure muscle performance, injury and hydration are linked.

Would anyone drink coffee if it didn't contain caffeine?

I thought this myth had been debunked long ago:

"Back in 1928, caffeine was shown to have no significant impact on urinary output. Subsequent studies have shown that caffeine-containing beverages did not impact urinary output any differently than other beverages. Based on this, the Institute of Medicine recommends that "unless additional evidence becomes available indicating cumulative total water deficits in individuals with habitual intakes of significant amounts of caffeine, caffeinated beverages appear to contribute to the daily total water intake similar to that contributed by non-caffeinated beverages."

"While we’ve been told for years that coffee (and caffeine in general) is a potent diuretic, research studies show that coffee only seems to have diuretic effects when consumed in larger amounts — adding up to more than 500 to 600 mg of caffeine a day. The most recent studies on this subject show that there is, in fact, no significant difference between urine output among people who drink caffeinated drinks compared to those who drink water or other comparable non-caffeinated drinks. Therefore, the typical coffee drinker should not experience dehydration from a one- or two-cup habit."

"Coffee and tea also count in your hydration tally. Many used to believe that they were dehydrating, but that myth has been debunked. The diuretic effect does not offset hydration."

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Maughan RJ, Griffin J (2003) Caffeine ingestion and fluid balance: a review. J Hum Nutr Diet 16(6):411-20.
DOI: 10.1046/j.1365-277X.2003.00477.x

[SA Chris]

Another factor is caffeine is a diuretic. For every cup of coffee consumed the equivalent in water should be consumed. Plus on top of that the usual amount of water. That's a lot of water. Fairly sure muscle performance, injury and hydration are linked.

I thought this myth had been debunked long ago:

I can confirm it works effectively on the other exit though.

[tommytwotone]

Glad someone else had access to the SCIENCE - I was just about to post that I was sure I'd seen on QI that the whole "coffee dehydrates you" thing wasn't actually true.

[Dexter]

Another factor is caffeine is a diuretic. For every cup of coffee consumed the equivalent in water should be consumed. Plus on top of that the usual amount of water. That's a lot of water. Fairly sure muscle performance, injury and hydration are linked.

I thought this myth had been debunked long ago:

I can confirm it works effectively on the other exit though.

If I recall this is not to do with the caffeine and only affects about 30% of people (can't find sources at the minute and don't feel like googling coffee shits whilst at work).
Also I believe that decaf coffee also has the same laxative effects.

Maybe it makes you lighter though for that crucial send? 

[Oldmanmatt]

Another factor is caffeine is a diuretic. For every cup of coffee consumed the equivalent in water should be consumed. Plus on top of that the usual amount of water. That's a lot of water. Fairly sure muscle performance, injury and hydration are linked.

I thought this myth had been debunked long ago:

I can confirm it works effectively on the other exit though.

If I recall this is not to do with the caffeine and only affects about 30% of people (can't find sources at the minute and don't feel like googling coffee shits whilst at work).
Also I believe that decaf coffee also has the same laxative effects.

Maybe it makes you lighter though for that crucial send? 

I find a pre-departure quadruple espresso and associated evacuation; makes for a much more comfortable day on the crag/bike/kayak etc.
The midday flask of 300ml skimmed milk (I hate semi, too greasy) and three shots is the only thing that keeps me alive.

Never get any jitters and don't miss it on days without (not withstanding the "keeps me alive" comment).



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[SA Chris]

Yup, having a strong one and doing the necessary at home saves having to find a convenient bush at the crag.

[JohnM]

Maybe just consider changing the time of your first coffee of the day.  I have read that first thing in the morning you should allow the peak levels of cortisol in your body to wake you up without the need for caffeine and this peak also diminishes the effect of the caffeine.  I tend to drink tea first thing and then a coffee around 10ish.  When I drink strong coffee straight after waking it seems to make me feel a bit nauseous but maybe that is because I am not used to it.

Found an article here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/01/05/why-the-best-time-to-drink-coffee-is-not-first-thing-in-the-morning/#2ec077325aa7

[Plattsy]

I stand corrected.

As QI has been mentioned. On the point of alertness I'm fairly sure it was mentioned on QI that caffeine merely brings a user up to a normal level of alertness. From out of a caffeine low. How did humans function before caffeine. ....

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How did humans function before caffeine. ....

Psilocybe semilanceata by slack---line, on Flickr

[Oldmanmatt]

Maybe just consider changing the time of your first coffee of the day.  I have read that first thing in the morning you should allow the peak levels of cortisol in your body to wake you up without the need for caffeine and this peak also diminishes the effect of the caffeine.  I tend to drink tea first thing and then a coffee around 10ish.  When I drink strong coffee straight after waking it seems to make me feel a bit nauseous but maybe that is because I am not used to it.

Found an article here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/01/05/why-the-best-time-to-drink-coffee-is-not-first-thing-in-the-morning/#2ec077325aa7

I thought "10ish" was first thing?



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[Iesu]

I have some experience of giving things up; caffeine is the only thing I haven't tried to give up totally.

I even gave up the shrooms in my teens, but I couldn't stay away for long.

i'm sure I read/heard somewhere that tea actually contains almost equivalent amounts of caffeine as coffee, but that coffee contains other related compounds with similar effects that teas do not? No references seem to back this up, but the tables here are interesting and indicate some crossover between teas/coffees of differing varieties and strengths: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/caffeine/art-20049372

[Oldmanmatt]

A "typical" (by volume, so compare similar) cup of tea contains ~20mg caffeine to a "typical" coffee @~40mg (which is about 4 similar sized Cokes).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TCXnm8HSs-w8zqqf7dVZokoyLdeqMxmf4fTXsv8TOtQ/htmlview


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[moose]

Aye, I think the confusion re caffeine dosage is that tea leaves by weight contain more caffeine than coffee but, in terms of what ends up in the cup, coffee yields a more caffeinated drink. 

[Dexter]

Aye, I think the confusion re caffeine dosage is that tea leaves by weight contain more caffeine than coffee but, in terms of what ends up in the cup, coffee yields a more caffeinated drink.

agreed, tea contains more caffeine but it's extraction is less efficient and so you end up with less in your mug

[andy_e]

Also, instant coffee has about the same amount of caffeine as tea, and apparently some people drink instant coffee, so that's where that comparison comes in.

[Iesu]

Which begs the question: was the OP referring to instant or "real" coffee, and if they weren't planning to also cut out caffeinated teas; why not?! In for a penny, in for a pound.

[Oldmanmatt]

Also, instant coffee has about the same amount of caffeine as tea, and apparently some people drink instant coffee, so that's where that comparison comes in.

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[SA Chris]

I think the correct term is coffee flavoured beverine

http://imgur.com/r/thesimpsons/CK6TO4x

[mrjonathanr]

Have we had this yet? Independent newspaper front page, circa '95 iirc.

I think the webs speak for themselves..

[moose]

I think the webs speak for themselves..

Personally, I view myself as sufficently different from spiders not to care greatly about what affects them.  Similarly, I didn't give up chocolate when I found out that it causes seizures and death in dogs, or avodados because they cause donkey's to get massive head oedemas. 

[Footwork]

I think the webs speak for themselves..

Personally, I view myself as sufficently different from spiders not to care greatly about what affects them.  Similarly, I didn't give up chocolate when I found out that it causes seizures and death in dogs, or avodados because they cause donkey's to get massive head oedemas.

well said!

[Iesu]

I think the caffeine influenced spiders web is the best one