[Jaspersharpe]

https://twitter.com/charltonbrooker/status/748270768002310145

Pete? Anyone..... Pete?

[Offwidth]

For this we need a seance and a quick word with Marie Antoinette.

Of course we'd need to do that before they invoke article 50, as she might not cooperate after.


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The quote was  about brioche not quite cake, more half-way  enhanced bread ... and she might not even have said it... bloody experts fucking with rhetoric.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

[Oldmanmatt]

For this we need a seance and a quick word with Marie Antoinette.

Of course we'd need to do that before they invoke article 50, as she might not cooperate after.


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The quote was  about brioche not quite cake, more half-way  enhanced bread ... and she might not even have said it... bloody experts fucking with rhetoric.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

So, what you're saying is; no-one can tell us how much cake to eat and how much to keep. Not even dead, French/Austrian, propaganda victims ?

Still, on the subject of things that are French and dead, at least we will have the Electricity to bake our cake.

Oh, hang on:

All you need to know about Hinkley Point
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35877071


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[andy popp]

Watched this yesterday to get away from all the doom and gloom.
This is brilliant about Wedgewood pots.
Will watch the others in the series when I get the chance.
Shows what makes Great Britain great.
But also shows the decline of industry in this country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07fky64/handmade-by-royal-appointment-1-wedgwood

I just watched this and agree its fascinating and rather beautiful but am not what relation you're drawing between it and the referendum? I think there is one but it is very complex and needs drawing out.

[jfdm]

Watched this yesterday to get away from all the doom and gloom.
This is brilliant about Wedgewood pots.
Will watch the others in the series when I get the chance.
Shows what makes Great Britain great.
But also shows the decline of industry in this country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07fky64/handmade-by-royal-appointment-1-wedgwood

I just watched this and agree its fascinating and rather beautiful but am not what relation you're drawing between it and the referendum? I think there is one but it is very complex and needs drawing out.

I have read quite a bit on this thread about the eu.
Was a bit down in the mouth and wanted something that that was a bit more uplifting to think about. Not related to the ongoing Eu battle, not really that complex.
I enjoyed it so thought that it would be a welcome distraction Andy.
I also found the quality non-climbing thread and stuck it in there too.
Glad that you liked it, I really enjoyed it for the same reasons.

[SA Chris]

Surely independence from (often oppressive) historic colonial rule can't be compared to a modern day situation of a country wanting independence from a union of countries?

Of course it can't. But if you did want to draw a lesson from it, you might want to aim for some degree of accuracy!

What, that if we want independence from the EU it's OK to expect another Mau mau Uprising / Biafran conflict / Boer war?

[Oldmanmatt]

I have yet to fact check but...


My morning giggle.


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[SA Chris]

It's genius. Needs a double facepalm at least.

[SA Chris]

And slackers is totally correct. The most important referendum we have had, which could have actually taken a big step to fairer, more representative politics and most people ignored it.

Yup and was ultimately Nick Clegg's downfall. He'd sold his soul to the devil to get one trump card, and it didn't play out for him.

[Oldmanmatt]

I have yet to fact check but...


My morning giggle.


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Checked.

http://gu.com/p/4n4y4/sfb


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[slackline]

And slackers is totally correct. The most important referendum we have had, which could have actually taken a big step to fairer, more representative politics and most people ignored it.

Yup and was ultimately Nick Clegg's downfall. He'd sold his soul to the devil to get one trump card, and it didn't play out for him.

The devil(s) turned round and kicked him in the balls with a load of patronising bullshit such as "Our electorate are too stupid to understand Alternative Voting" and the mindless herd did as they were told.

It bothers me that many intelligent people hate the Lib Dems/Clegg for taking this gamble.  It was a huge risk, but one well worth taking, because had the Alternative Vote referendum resulted in "Yes" it would more than have changed the playing field, it would have put it in a whole new stadium (for want of a better analogy).  Failure to recognise this and bleat on about going back on Manifesto pledges, e.g. no more tuition fees if they were elected, completely ignores this, because you can't have your cake (referendum on voting) and eat it (which would have been to through a hissy fit and not cowtail those you are in coalition with who gave you your cake in the first place).

[johnx2]

...woulda, coulda, but played exceedingly badly so didn't.

The alternative voting system I blame is what got the wrong miliboy in by a whisker. The main message is best summed up by the wise words of Sir Richard Mottram

[SA Chris]

And slackers is totally correct. The most important referendum we have had, which could have actually taken a big step to fairer, more representative politics and most people ignored it.

Yup and was ultimately Nick Clegg's downfall. He'd sold his soul to the devil to get one trump card, and it didn't play out for him.

The devil(s) turned round and kicked him in the balls with a load of patronising bullshit such as "Our electorate are too stupid to understand Alternative Voting" and the mindless herd did as they were told.

Pretty much, but why would the "majority" vote for something that reduces the chances of them staying the majority.

[tomtom]

Christ what's happening in politics. I find myself wishing Nick Clegg was back in the frame... That's nearly as bad as wishing Glenn Hoddle was made England manager.

Oh.

Hoddle won't be England manager and Clegg is the least appreciated politician of his generation.

It's alright, Gove's wife has everything under control and has given him his orders. As long as Bojo promises him a nice cushy job.

http://news.sky.com/story/1719331/goves-wife-raises-johnson-leadership-concerns


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Seems like Goves wife had things very much in control - Knife in Boris' back... They deserve each other..

[tomtom]

No Boris!

Thank fuck...

[Will Hunt]

Fucking hell! That paints a pretty picture doesn't it!

So he leads a campaign that we can now clearly see he didn't really believe in. The aim being to narrowly loose, undermine Dave, and then claim back power as a "people's hero" in the next leadership campaign.

But he's fucked it. So now that he's put the bullet in the gun he hasn't actually got the conviction to pull the trigger. Let some other poor sap make that mistake, eh, Boris? Since his strategy has now become so plain, he ought to resign.

Theresa May was going off at 3/1 the other day. Why didn't I put that bet on!

[galpinos]

No Boris!

Thank fuck...

But Gove..........

I can't get my head around the leaked Sarah Vine e-mail. It must have been on purpose but I can't understand the reasoning?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/29/michael-gove-sarah-vine-leaked-email

[tomtom]

Yup - Boris has got us out - and now walks away from doing the hard work afterwards...


In other news (that will probably go under the radar today) at the launch of the findings of the antisemitism Labour Party review, JC has pretty much likened Israel to ISIS "Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of self-styled Islamic states or organisations"...


Today is like some strange House of Cards + Thick of it mash up...

[tomtom]

No Boris!

Thank fuck...

But Gove..........

I can't get my head around the leaked Sarah Vine e-mail. It must have been on purpose but I can't understand the reasoning?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/29/michael-gove-sarah-vine-leaked-email

To stick the knife in Boris... and promote her Husbands chances.. Boris rather tellingly started his speech with a quote from Julius Caesar I believe...

[SA Chris]

That's Boris's career fucked utterly and forever.

[galpinos]

To stick the knife in Boris... and promote her Husbands chances.. Boris rather tellingly started his speech with a quote from Julius Caesar I believe...

But it makes him seem an incompetent buffoon, unable to negotiate with Boris for himself?

[Offwidth]

Gove should be a dead duck as well now.... he'll be lucky to survive a public expose of private emails of secret anointment by tory supporting press barons. As should be Crabb with his views on homosexuality.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/29/who-is-stephen-crabb-hairy-welshman-with-controversial-views-on-homosexuality-5973742/

[dave]

Crabb is a scumbag, as is the disgraced Liam Fox,who let's not forget was defrauding the public massively in the expenses scandal, and had to resign as defence minister after bringing his best mate, without security clearance, to all his meetings.

[Wood FT]

Lady McGove!

[Offwidth]

A view on the campaigns influence on racism:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2016/jun/30/racism-brexit-eu-referendum-video