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#25 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 01:22:45 pm
Good news Eddies!
Good luck, for work and health!
Lots of useful insights, thanks!

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#26 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 01:28:39 pm


Wish me luck ;)

 After so long at one place, it'd have been easy to 'settle' - sounds like a great decision you've made. Best of luck for the future!

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#27 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 05:35:18 pm
Eddies: Good luck Beast!

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#28 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 09:12:07 pm
Hey thanks everyone. It went really well, they had no idea it was coming so we're very shocked, then  pleased for me and ultimately jealous of my bed offer and courage to decide to make such a change. I'm mentally exhausted but very happy tonight :)
I liked what rocksteady wrote a lot and although I have no idea about law or can comprehend the workload you must put upon yourself for such a job I will say that despite the fury of prep and information you must carry try to always show a calm exterior to all others at work. Think swan, or a samurai warrior. Also keep telling yourself that they may take the odd case from you here and there but they will never take your FREEEEEDOM ;)

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#29 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 09:26:20 pm
i need  a british point of view about a mixed personal-work case!


a friend and i have been running for the same job (without knowing we were in competition for it! the employer is very discreet...)

it is safe to say that we have a good deal of mutual respect.

he got the job and i'm glad for him, and to have lost to an honourable candidate who is fit for the job and will do at least as good as me, if not better.
(seriously. i can think of many other potential candidates that i would have dead pissed to be beaten by. it is not the case)

now, in my pizza and mandolino vision of the world i expect the situation to evolve in a given way, i'm curious if this is also considered normal in the anglo-saxon world or not.

i will congratulate him a second time, having discovered that the position he was running for was the same concerning me.

Then i will offer my "help" whenever he needs it ("of course you can ask me if you need a second opinion")

He will be proud that i openly recognize his victory and whenever possible, he would give me the honours of war by pushing my name for any position that would, in his opinion, fit my profile and/or my goals.

this would be, imho, pretty standard "networking" behaviour where i come from, is it equally so in a culture that is described as more individualistic and competitive?


thanks
(btw: the guy has lived and worked for a good while in uk, that's why i ask)
« Last Edit: February 13, 2015, 09:33:35 pm by ghisino »

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#30 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 09:33:25 pm
It will have nothing to do whether he or she has a British attitude to work. It will depend on their personality I.e. How ruthless they are in pursuit of their own ambitions.

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#31 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 09:41:42 pm
It will have nothing to do whether he or she has a British attitude to work. It will depend on their personality I.e. How ruthless they are in pursuit of their own ambitions.

thanks.
. just to add context ruthless and smart italians will definitely behave in the way described above if it is a good networking move (this would depend more on me, my own ties and the occasion rather than on our friendship)

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#32 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 13, 2015, 10:21:12 pm
I think the behaviour you describe would be just as likely in the UK at Italy. Not saying there are no differences, but, for the most part, I don't think the Anglo-Saxon world is quite as atomistic as usually described, the Latin world not quite as collective

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#33 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 15, 2015, 02:04:20 pm
Thank you all guys, lots of good insight.
Surely I have to address this issue, before it becomes a real issue.

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#34 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 16, 2015, 02:19:25 pm
Going down in the dephts of this appeal that I'm writing, I realized more and more, that when things get personal in the way that I explained, it's because I'm really scared.
I'm scared by the idea of undergoing and injustice because the other part was successful in misleading the judge (like they're trying to do in this case). I'm not scared by losing to someone who's better than me, or has better rights. Dura lex sed lex.
As usual, fear generates aggression.

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#35 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 16, 2015, 05:50:43 pm
Fear tends to drive right wing politics too....

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#36 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 16, 2015, 08:47:50 pm
Having worked in the same position for 10 years (Area Youth Worker).  Work got very personal for me over the last 2 years, I worked for local government and the austerity cuts resulted in a new manager arriving from elsewhere in the service.  After calmly expressing my disagreement with a decision made, said manager turned out to be a first class :shit: and proceeded to make my working life an utter misery.  He used all the tools and opportunities, available to him, to make me pay.  His manager colluded the whole way and I fought as best I could.  My whole life began to revolve around not getting 'in trouble' with manager, stress, obsessing and worrying about work. Some counseling helped and I survived.  My wife had been pregnant throughout the majority of the shitstorm and my 2nd child (a daughter) arrived March 2014 (incidentally this was not even acknowledged by my manager).  I felt numb, like I had missed the whole thing.

I am certain the behaviour was rooted in fear, feeling threatened and in self preservation but there was very little I could do to prevent it.  I  will never really know why.  Nor do I care to know why now.

Early last year further cuts were announced and the opportunity to consider voluntary redundancy arose.  I took it.  October 2014 the pressure cooker was released and I was out.  A chance to reappraise what is important in life.  A chance to try something else.  The post grad certificate in education, I did after my degree and never used, came into play for some supply teaching.  Some contacts built during my time as a youth worker came good and I was interviewed for a specialist teaching position at a local secondary school (it's 20 seconds walk from home!) Friday just gone.  YYFY I got the job. 

I will be working with people who I know are lovely, I will have the shortest commute to work I have ever had and I will be on holiday when my children are on holiday.  I will have more time to spend at home with my family, (cough... more time for climbing and surfing!).

Not sure if there is a moral to the story but I know that when things get so personal that everything outside of work is affected it's not a place to remain.

 

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#37 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 17, 2015, 06:29:09 am
Having worked in the same position for 10 years (Area Youth Worker).  Work got very personal for me over the last 2 years, I worked for local government and the austerity cuts resulted in a new manager arriving from elsewhere in the service.  After calmly expressing my disagreement with a decision made, said manager turned out to be a first class :shit: and proceeded to make my working life an utter misery.  He used all the tools and opportunities, available to him, to make me pay.  His manager colluded the whole way and I fought as best I could.  My whole life began to revolve around not getting 'in trouble' with manager, stress, obsessing and worrying about work. Some counseling helped and I survived.  My wife had been pregnant throughout the majority of the shitstorm and my 2nd child (a daughter) arrived March 2014 (incidentally this was not even acknowledged by my manager).  I felt numb, like I had missed the whole thing.

I am certain the behaviour was rooted in fear, feeling threatened and in self preservation but there was very little I could do to prevent it.  I  will never really know why.  Nor do I care to know why now.

Early last year further cuts were announced and the opportunity to consider voluntary redundancy arose.  I took it.  October 2014 the pressure cooker was released and I was out.  A chance to reappraise what is important in life.  A chance to try something else.  The post grad certificate in education, I did after my degree and never used, came into play for some supply teaching.  Some contacts built during my time as a youth worker came good and I was interviewed for a specialist teaching position at a local secondary school (it's 20 seconds walk from home!) Friday just gone.  YYFY I got the job. 

I will be working with people who I know are lovely, I will have the shortest commute to work I have ever had and I will be on holiday when my children are on holiday.  I will have more time to spend at home with my family, (cough... more time for climbing and surfing!).

Not sure if there is a moral to the story but I know that when things get so personal that everything outside of work is affected it's not a place to remain.

Congrats, and congrats to Eddies too. Tough decisions.

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#38 Re: Work: is it personal?
February 17, 2015, 09:41:55 am
Going down in the dephts of this appeal that I'm writing, I realized more and more, that when things get personal in the way that I explained, it's because I'm really scared.
I'm scared by the idea of undergoing and injustice because the other part was successful in misleading the judge (like they're trying to do in this case). I'm not scared by losing to someone who's better than me, or has better rights. Dura lex sed lex.
As usual, fear generates aggression.

Nibs if someone is cheating then I think you're right to want to beat them to the limits of what's possible. in the UK we have the Solicitor's Regulatory Authority and Bar Council who you can report lawyers to  if you feel that their behaviour is in breach of the standards of professional integrity. Is there an equivalent in Italy? This also can work as a wider tactic if you really want to smash your opponent as it raises a time-consuming investigation that they are obliged to respond to at the same time as fighting their case!

 

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