Don’t get me wrong Dave, I think you’re right and personally I don’t agree with the not voting thing; at the very least spoiling your ballot has to be better than not showing up at all. So for me that’s a black mark for him. But to his credit Brand does seem to be highlighting that there are other ways to engage other than voting once every 5 years e.g. protests, petitions etc. which is possibly a worthwhile message to bring to “the yoof of today”, given that plenty seem disillusioned with politics, for the reasons Dan has mentioned above. It may get some to feel they have a stake, especially in these days of organisation via social media. Obviously these routes are as old as time but lets face it brand "Brand" is probably not selling itself to folk with existing political interest. Again arguably a good thing? I tried to capture that nuance succinctly earlier but probably failed!
A good case can be put simply, with straightforward language and clear references, brand like so many lefty fuckwits (see Chomsky) feel the need to dress up shit ideas in convoluted language: so in short, it is proper and correct so say Russell brand is a cvnt.
hoping that by abstaining you would action change in favour of going to the nice local resturant that does takeouts of responsibly-sourced wholesome food.
Quote from: Sloper A good case can be put simply, with straightforward language and clear references, brand like so many lefty fuckwits (see Chomsky) feel the need to dress up shit ideas in convoluted language: so in short, it is proper and correct so say Russell brand is a cvnt.To be fair, I think Brand's ideas are no more shit than those of most other youth-TV-presenters-turned-comedians. He's only getting more attention (and being elevated to 'cvnt' status) by talking about things that seem to resonate.The left has always had a habit of diving into over-elaborate theory, which creates hiding places for charlatans of a general leftish bent. Conversely, the right has always had a habit of appealing to un-examined sentiment or economic benefit as self-evident measures of political right and wrong. Both of which lead to a slurry of pseudo-debate. I'm centre-right (ie leftish by current terminology), so I probably tend to find some bits of the slurry less offensively stinky than the others, but it's still slurry. Both sides have a small number of people who frame the arguments properly and well - they're just not always easy to find.Brand's language is a parody of the traditional left - he's sending up both sides at once. He doesn't have any great argument to make, which is why it's odd that so many want to take issue.If people fail to vote because of a spittle-flecked stand-up, we must surely have a problem bigger than that guy?
What about take away paella?
I'm sure you can see where the extension of this particular metaphor goes: if people stop eating at McLabour and Kentucky Fried Conservatives and instead start dining at the Green Bistro, then either the bistro expands, or the big players notice that that's what people want and change their menu accordingly (hopefully, I still have a little hope, vote Green, please....).
I have a soft spot for Brand. I think he has a few core skills: he is funny, he is intelligent, he is articulate (in his own particular nouveau dialect). However it is really obvious that his political ideas are in their infancy and I do sympathise with him for this. ...So no, not a see-you-next-Tuesday, but one to keep an eye on.
QuoteI have a soft spot for Brand. I think he has a few core skills: he is funny, he is intelligent, he is articulate (in his own particular nouveau dialect). However it is really obvious that his political ideas are in their infancy and I do sympathise with him for this. ...So no, not a see-you-next-Tuesday, but one to keep an eye on.Titty fucking christ Will that is patronising! 'Nouveau dialect'?! - are you the dusty old headmaster of some home counties grammar school?Those who despair at poor little Russell's lack of political sophistication should remember that he's stated numerous times on record that he sees 'his role' as being about using his past notoriety and infamy to shine publicity on what he believes to be a worthy cause - i.e. highlighting various aspects of the state which he and many other people see as questionable. And not about trying to become some political sophisticate or MP. Enough of those around already.
I have lived in a village that has had greens in charge for over a decade and in which time they started well then did fuck all for 8 years
Who is the ahead of his time moron that said brand is funny? What a fucknut
Quote from: petejh on December 18, 2014, 06:30:41 pmQuoteI have a soft spot for Brand. I think he has a few core skills: he is funny, he is intelligent, he is articulate (in his own particular nouveau dialect). However it is really obvious that his political ideas are in their infancy and I do sympathise with him for this. ...So no, not a see-you-next-Tuesday, but one to keep an eye on.Titty fucking christ Will that is patronising! 'Nouveau dialect'?! - are you the dusty old headmaster of some home counties grammar school?Those who despair at poor little Russell's lack of political sophistication should remember that he's stated numerous times on record that he sees 'his role' as being about using his past notoriety and infamy to shine publicity on what he believes to be a worthy cause - i.e. highlighting various aspects of the state which he and many other people see as questionable. And not about trying to become some political sophisticate or MP. Enough of those around already.He lacks 'sophistication' because he talks shit, not because of his accent (although I too find this rather grating). As will says, when he meets someone who takes a counter point he doesn't engage in rational well informed debate; rather he rants at a higher volume.It's all rather predicatable lefty fuckwittery, for example 'the land value tax' yeah sounds great, right up until the moment when you realise that it doesn't work.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-saves-93-families-from-eviction-with-downing-street-campaign-i-dont-think-wed-be-here-now-without-his-support-9938771.htmlSeems there's quite a few people on a London housing estate who don't agree with the OP's assertion.