[Neil F]

It's driving me mad 17(c). Is the route great wall?

It is Stu!

[Neil F]

Isn't 17c Ed Drummond on Great Wall in Hard Rock refering to Pete Crew who was talking him up it.

Spot on. Drummond is describing his second ascent. First ascensionist Crew is on the ground watching and dispensing beta (even though beta is yet to be invented) & the legend that is Ken Wilson is there taking the photographs, which added extra authenticity to the Hard Rock essay.

[grahamhoey]

Re Great Wall, Drummond's ascent was the 5th (according to Black Cliff). Dave Yates made the second ascent (abbing down and pre-placing the aid gear in the upper crack because he thought Crew had done that). Wilson's pictures of Crew's ascent are some of the most inspiring climbing pictures I had seen at the time. I doubted I would ever do the route, then of course it went free and I knew I'd never do it. A few years later I did it as my first route on Cloggy when I alt led it with Mike Browell (done in two pitches then). Halcyon days.

[webbo]

I actually wrote a letter to Mountain magazine to defend John Allen's free ascent that Ken Wilson had criticised due to use of chalk.
The risks we took when we were young.

[jcm]

1 f - the Johnny slate route was The Quarryman, I think.

8d T Rex at Gogarth, of course.

Is the 4d bolt Fred Zimmerman at wherever FZ is - Caley?

13 a Suicide Wall done before Kipling Groove
13 b Central Buttress done before High Neb Buttress
13 c Wall of Horrors before Great Wall
13 d SW Cratcliffe before SW Bosi
13 e Gogarth done before Old Man OH

14 Pete Biven (Bosi), Peter Harding (Cratcliffe) and Chris Preston (Ogwen)

[jcm]

Johnny - the county in 15b was presumably Yorkshire. Limestone (e) should be made into cement, and I think all limestone routes are 6b with small holds, aren't they?

16(c) is Windhover overhanging the road
17(a) is Menlove Edwards, I think.

20(a) - is it Snowdon
(b) is Ben Nevis, presumably
(c) is Scafell, or maybe I mean Scafell Pike.

[jcm]

Can't make much impression on 21, I'm afraid, Neil, though I think the chairman in 21f is Paul Nunn, and is that Dennis Gray to his left? I can't place the speaker although he's very familiar indeed.

[Neil F]

1 f - the Johnny slate route was The Quarryman, I think.

8d T Rex at Gogarth, of course.

Is the 4d bolt Fred Zimmerman at wherever FZ is - Caley?

13 a Suicide Wall done before Kipling Groove
13 b Central Buttress done before High Neb Buttress
13 c Wall of Horrors before Great Wall
13 d SW Cratcliffe before SW Bosi
13 e Gogarth done before Old Man OH

14 Pete Biven (Bosi), Peter Harding (Cratcliffe) and Chris Preston (Ogwen)

Quarryman & Gogarth - yes.  Fred Z - no.  That bolt is in the Peak.

Your answers to 13 and 14 are all correct. Good grasp of climbing history there John!

Neil

[Neil F]

Johnny - the county in 15b was presumably Yorkshire.

Controversially correct!

Limestone (e) should be made into cement.

Not quite - what did Johnny used to climb on in his days in Manchester?

and I think all limestone routes are 6b with small holds, aren't they?

Johnny's not nearly so generous, I'm afraid!

16(c) is Windhover overhanging the road
17(a) is Menlove Edwards, I think.

20(a) - is it Snowdon
(b) is Ben Nevis, presumably

All 4 correct John.

(c) is Scafell, or maybe I mean Scafell Pike.

Wrong.  I thought you would have known this.....?

[Neil F]

Can't make much impression on 21, I'm afraid, Neil, though I think the chairman in 21f is Paul Nunn, and is that Dennis Gray to his left? I can't place the speaker although he's very familiar indeed.

It is Paul Nunn, but it isn't Dennis.

As for the speaker, you do know him....

[jcm]

Wow - having now googled the war memorial I thought I would have known it as well, but I really thought this was on SP. Right idea, wrong hill; SP does have one as well, but not this one.

On reflection is the speaker in 21F a young Neil Foster?!

And is 21B Yuji?

So I guess Johnny thought all limestone was 6a, and should limestone be made into, I don't know, underpasses? Road bridges? Bus stops?

[Neil F]

On reflection is the speaker in 21F a young Neil Foster?!

I believe it is (or was).

And is 21B Yuji?

Yes, but which of the 5 climbers is Yuji (and who are the others)?

So I guess Johnny thought all limestone was 6a, and should limestone be made into, I don't know, underpasses? Road bridges? Bus stops?

These Johnny ones can only really be educated guesses, since I don't think anyone will have heard the interviews (though my fellow quiz-setter has the tapes!)

JD's limestone quote was even more derogatory than 6a, though the "a" bit is correct.  He thought limestone should be made into the material which those underpasses and roadbridges he used to climb on were made of, rather than the structures themselves.

15D is a nice quote and rather less contentious!

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21f Geoff Birtles on the left and is it Mark Hutchinson at the back.

[Neil F]

21f Geoff Birtles on the left and is it Mark Hutchinson at the back.

Birtles - yes, but not Mark Hutchinson (though I can see what you mean).

Anyone remember "On Peak Rock"?  It was compiled by the man in the background...

[Stabbsy]

And is 21B Yuji?

Yes, but which of the 5 climbers is Yuji (and who are the others)?

I think the 4 seated climbers are Yuji, Ben Moon, Boone Speed and Jibe Tribout. The 5th one on the screen I thought was a younger Yuji but probably isn't.

[Neil F]

I think the 4 seated climbers are Yuji, Ben Moon, Boone Speed and Jibe Tribout. The 5th one on the screen I thought was a younger Yuji but probably isn't.

Bingo!  Spot on.

[Stabbsy]

(c) is Scafell, or maybe I mean Scafell Pike.

Wrong.  I thought you would have known this.....?

Given the names on the memorial, I'd guess it's Lakes/Fell & Rock related. If it's not Scafell, then Great Gable?

[Neil F]

(c) is Scafell, or maybe I mean Scafell Pike.

Wrong.  I thought you would have known this.....?

Given the names on the memorial, I'd guess it's Lakes/Fell & Rock related. If it's not Scafell, then Great Gable?

Great Gable - correct.  Nice one!

[jcm]

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Anyone remember "On Peak Rock"?  It was compiled by the man in the background...
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Then Carl Dawson, presumably.

18b is vexing me; I know I've seen this book. It's not some edition or other of Portrait of a Mountaineer, is it?

[Neil F]

Then Carl Dawson, presumably.

Indeed.

The photo was taken at one of the famous bolt debates.  Anyone hazard a guess as to the which Peak venue had such a wood panelled room (and what it is called now?) - It isn't some byronic mansion - it was just a well known Peak hotel....

18b is vexing me; I know I've seen this book. It's not some edition or other of Portrait of a Mountaineer, is it?

Nope.  It is the first edition of another famous biography.