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New laptop advice
October 01, 2013, 07:37:12 pm
Need some help picking a laptop out for the lady. Loads out there, and I dont really know whats good in lap tops. Spec wanted is

- 11-13 inch screen
- lightweight
- good battery life
- non of this touch screen b/s
- decent keyboard-one with keys that go down, none of that touch stuff
- can handle usual - MS office, video streaming/skyping etc.

something around £500ish is good, but willing to pay more if it actually makes a difference

Any advice? What would you get if you were in the market.....

cheers!

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#1 Re: New laptop advice
October 01, 2013, 10:51:29 pm
I'm not the most up to speed, but this spec looks half decent:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Vostro-3360-13-3-i5-3337U-1-8GHz-500GB-6GB-Windows-7-Pro-3-Year-Warranty-/141076973019?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item20d8d7c5db

More to the point, this is my recommended method of buying a laptop. It's how I've got my last two and it's been brilliant. On-site 3 years warranty's are golden. I wouldn't get a laptop without one. The fact that it's refurbished means nothing. It's worth far more than a brand new one with a shitty backtobase 1yr warranty.

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#2 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 09:15:38 am
Need some help picking a laptop out for the lady. Loads out there, and I dont really know whats good in lap tops. Spec wanted is

- 11-13 inch screen
- lightweight

This suggests looking at Ultrabooks, although because of the small size.  They're very thin, my Zenbook UX21 is 9mm at the thickest point, 3mm at the thinnest when closed.  The battery last around four to five hours of continuous (modereate) usage (less if I'm compiling large packages or number crunching), so not sure if that meets...

- good battery life

...but they spring to life in seconds after closing the lid, so just shutting it for a few minutes away isn't a hinderence.

- non of this touch screen b/s
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Newer versions to have touch-screen, but shop around and you can probably find older non-touch screens which will be cheaper.

- decent keyboard-one with keys that go down, none of that touch stuff

Its not a metal keyboard (as the reviews hastily point out as there is little else to criticise) but its fine to use.

- can handle usual - MS office, video streaming/skyping etc.

Unless you buy an old second hand one this will never be a problem on any new computer you buy.


something around £500ish is good, but willing to pay more if it actually makes a difference

Picked up mine a year ago as a refurbished unit for around this price, not sure what they are currently going for.  Look around at other Ultrabooks too, they're great.

Any advice? What would you get if you were in the market.....

Got mine from dabs, but check also ebuyer, Scan, Dell outlet and other manufacturers direct for refurbished.

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#3 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 09:25:32 am
Make sure its oen with the new series of Intel Haswell processors (or whatever they are now called). WHilst not step chance in performance, this latest gen processors gives 70% better battery life... Its starting to trickle down into Laptops now, so some do, some dont have it..

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#4 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 09:35:18 am
That will of course push the price up.

Maybe this will be useful in helping make the decision http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-windows-ultrabook/

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#5 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 11:25:13 am
I'm not the most up to speed, but this spec looks half decent:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Vostro-3360-13-3-i5-3337U-1-8GHz-500GB-6GB-Windows-7-Pro-3-Year-Warranty-/141076973019?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item20d8d7c5db

More to the point, this is my recommended method of buying a laptop. It's how I've got my last two and it's been brilliant. On-site 3 years warranty's are golden. I wouldn't get a laptop without one. The fact that it's refurbished means nothing. It's worth far more than a brand new one with a shitty backtobase 1yr warranty.

Or buy them direct... :whistle:
http://outlet.euro.dell.com/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=3&c=uk&cs=ukdfb1&l=en&s=dfb

If you shop in the Biz/Edu outlet store everything seems to ship with a 3 year warranty.

Prices about the same, not free shipping at the moment but it seems to go month on, month off so if you wait a week or two...

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#6 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 12:44:00 pm
cheers for the knowledge. Have put some options to the boss, see what she has to say... Havent had much good experience with dell laptops (the one i am currently using has keys missing, no battery and had an interesting phase with the screen. Other peoples dells also been similarly  :shit: ). Have they improved?

Also any laptop without "bloatware" - im guessing this is all the stuff on it you would rather not have - which dell seem particularly good at filling up their laptops with, would be good, as it is something that majorly does my nut in!

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#7 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 02:37:03 pm
I got Dell laptops from the outlet for my mother and my wife

both laptops doing great

the best deals seem to come on around 4pm to 6pm and get snapped up pretty quick - when you put it in your shopping basket you get 15 mins or so (can't remember) to decide whether to buy it or it goes back up for grabs

have a look over a week or so at what kind of stuff they are selling through the outlet and work out which specs suit you, then wait for one at the right price to come up by checking at tea time every day

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#8 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 02:55:47 pm
All I can add is don't get an Acer

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#9 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 03:05:26 pm
I've got an IBM Thinkpad R50e that I bought for not very much in 2005 when Lenovo took over

still works fine - added more RAM
solid as fcuk
nice keyboard

I don't know whether Lenovo have kept up the quality on more recent incarnations, so I'm not really saying anything useful here

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#10 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 03:15:43 pm
Why no acer? (curious)

Forgot to mention mrs is still a student so if theres anyone who offers deals on that, that would be gran. Think apple do, but have an extremely strong dislike of them...

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#11 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 03:27:02 pm
Forgot to mention mrs is still a student so if theres anyone who offers deals on that, that would be gran.

Check with the college/university if they have any deals (ditto for M$-software if its required, although free alternatives exist)

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#12 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 03:33:48 pm
Why no acer? (curious)


Shitty keyboard and touchpad. Used to do my head in. heard similar problems from others.

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#13 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 04:03:28 pm
Fair enough. Will have a word with the uni, cheers

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#14 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 04:46:03 pm
Also any laptop without "bloatware" - im guessing this is all the stuff on it you would rather not have - which dell seem particularly good at filling up their laptops with, would be good, as it is something that majorly does my nut in!

Dell Edu&Biz are better than consumer for this, the outlet desktop I bought last week was pretty clear. Other than a month trial of Norton which uninstalled straight away there wasn't any crap on it. No MS Office trials etc etc. Dell hardware is a lot more reliable than it used to be, especially if you get the better put together biz/edu range (Vostro, Optiplex,  Latitude etc), hence why they ship with a 3 year warranty. Lenovos are also pretty good, again stick with the pro range and they are solid if rather utilitarian machines. Think I was recommending the X220/230 on another thread. A quick look on Ebay shows you can still pick them up refurbed for around £500. Great machines that would cost double that new.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LENOVO-THINKPAD-X230-12-5-i5-3320M-4GB-RAM-320GB-HDD-BT-W7-Pro-UK-Model-Wrnty-/161119105603?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2583727243

Regarding software http://www.software4students.co.uk is worth a look although the deals are not as attractive as they used to be, as both Adobe and Microsoft try and push everyone towards a monthly subscription model.  :jab: that said the MS Uni deal isn't actually that bad, £53 covers two machines for four years.

Haven't heard of may uni deals with hardware but software deals are still quite common. What's she studying? Some vendors have some great (ie. free) student agreements for specialist software (eg. Autodesk)

Consider open source or web based stuff for the Office stuff. If you must have M$ Office but don't want to pay for it, be aware some home MS licenses allow installation on up to 5 machines so it's worth asking around your family for any spares.

Oh yeah, and (forgive the rant)
BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!!!!!!!!!

Heard yet another story of a tea drenched dead laptop and lost work this week.  :wavecry:

Tell her to start as she means to go on, keep copies on Skydrive/Google Docs AND an external hard drive (that isn't stored or carried with the machine). Set up reminders in her phone to backup weekly at least. Set it up and stick to it.

Here endeth the lesson (and rant).


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#15 Re: New laptop advice
October 02, 2013, 05:49:55 pm
cheers, maybe dell is worth a shout then. Yeah, think she is pretty on it when it comes to backing up fortunately, unlike me  :spank:

Studying to be a dr so doesnt need any specialist stuff really (i dont think...)

Thanks again for the knowledge!

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#16 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 12:52:33 am
my mac has suddenly decided to give me massive icons and writing, how do i get this back to normal size?  :shrug: the toolbar along the bottom is fine but I'm writing this in about font 16 which is double what ondra can climb. cheers

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#17 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 07:50:40 am
my mac has suddenly decided to give me massive icons and writing, how do i get this back to normal size?  :shrug: the toolbar along the bottom is fine but I'm writing this in about font 16 which is double what ondra can climb. cheers
They have something called the 'Optical Apple Performance' sensor that kicks in if it senses the user is slow to respond, or it can be triggered by a certain series of key presses resulting in a particularly obtuse comment.

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#18 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 08:23:48 am
my mac has suddenly decided to give me massive icons and writing, how do i get this back to normal size?  :shrug: the toolbar along the bottom is fine but I'm writing this in about font 16 which is double what ondra can climb. cheers
They have something called the 'Optical Apple Performance' sensor that kicks in if it senses the user is slow to respond, or it can be triggered by a certain series of key presses resulting in a particularly obtuse comment.

You mac has sensed you are getting old Dense ;)

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#19 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 09:12:14 am
if you lick the apple logo on the back of the mac, the display will go back to normal

if this hasn't worked after 10 mins of licking, try licking the screen itself

I suggest doing this whilst you are in a public place

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#20 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 10:26:17 am
i have tried all of the above but they don't seem to work. if only slackers hadn't been condescending to that poor guy about the tax dodging good business he'd have helped

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#21 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 10:31:46 am
have you tried standing further away from the screen?

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#22 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 10:43:03 am
yes then i can't see the toolbar icons

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#23 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 10:44:42 am
'cmd' + '-'?

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#24 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 11:30:31 am
Have zoomed out which looks ok but doesn't affect top toolbar. Oh well I'll have to look at big writing for a few wks. Cmd stuff just hurt my ears  ;) cheers tho

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#25 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 03:26:22 pm
Why no acer? (curious)

Forgot to mention mrs is still a student so if theres anyone who offers deals on that, that would be gran. Think apple do, but have an extremely strong dislike of them...

another consideration is depending on where she is a student you can get loads of free software which save a bunch.
I got windows 7 free through my uni and saved £70 on my desktop by buying it without an operating system.
You may be able to get word etc this way too.

It can be a pain to find where the free stuff is however (uni's dont seem to want to advertise where it is for some reason)

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#26 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 03:34:59 pm
Why no acer? (curious)

Forgot to mention mrs is still a student so if theres anyone who offers deals on that, that would be gran. Think apple do, but have an extremely strong dislike of them...

another consideration is depending on where she is a student you can get loads of free software which save a bunch.
I got windows 7 free through my uni and saved £70 on my desktop by buying it without an operating system.
You may be able to get word etc this way too.

It can be a pain to find where the free stuff is however (uni's dont seem to want to advertise where it is for some reason)

Or you could save yourself the pain and legal minefield* and just use free software (e.g. GNU/Linux as an OS, LibreOffice if you need word processing/spreadsheets although you may as well use Google Drive/Docs, GIMP for image processing (although I use darktable for RAW picture processing), Audacity for music editing etc. etc. etc.).

If there are programs for studying/working that are a only available for M$-Win then you can run M$-Win under VirtualBox and install them there.


Don't know what Uni you're at but CiCS at Univ of Sheffield have it all listed in one place.

* Technically its probably a violation of the license if its your partner who's the student and they buy it for you to run on your computer, as the information at the above clearly states "All software is for use by members of the University only.", although I realise that sticking to software licensing is frowned upon by many.


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#27 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 03:45:35 pm
Have zoomed out which looks ok but doesn't affect top toolbar. Oh well I'll have to look at big writing for a few wks. Cmd stuff just hurt my ears  ;) cheers tho
have you checked display settings? If you've plugged into a projector or monitor recently it might have screwed up your resolution.
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#28 Re: New laptop advice
May 02, 2014, 06:24:34 pm
I have Toby and it worked, quite a strange un intuitive way to get there though. Same with all apple stuff it's quite logical once you've done it, until then it seems bizarre!
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#29 Re: New laptop advice
June 26, 2022, 02:29:47 pm
Reviving this thread…

Seems like my old and up to now trustworthy iPad is on its way out. Can’t seem to release enough storage to keep Netflix on it…

So looks like I might finally need to buy a laptop having survived without one for probably 8 years.

My options are;

Do something clever to my iPad to open up storage - preferable but haven’t managed to sort it yet

Or buy a laptop.

My needs are very very simple; I just want to watch YouTube, Netflix etc

Go on ukc and ukb

And do my work invoicing

Be good if it had a decent battery life or the ability to be charged via usb for when I’m away in the van for work/pleasure (not sure if this is a thing)

If it comes to this I’ll defo get a refurbished laptop, unless told otherwise.

Any recommendations on what to look out for?

I have literally no clue about computers and have no real inclination to start learning about them, as long as I can do what I need on the bloody things

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#30 Re: New laptop advice
June 26, 2022, 02:57:24 pm
Perhaps see my Chromebook thread?

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#31 Re: New laptop advice
June 26, 2022, 05:43:28 pm
From your post I guess your not tied to apple? If so as Paul says a chromebook is likely the way to go. Or if you'd rather a tablet there's plenty of decent android ones about for not too much cash.

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#32 Re: New laptop advice
June 26, 2022, 07:11:14 pm
Perhaps see my Chromebook thread?

Not seen that but I’ll check it out!

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#33 Re: New laptop advice
June 26, 2022, 07:15:19 pm
From your post I guess your not tied to apple? If so as Paul says a chromebook is likely the way to go. Or if you'd rather a tablet there's plenty of decent android ones about for not too much cash.

Not especially. I regret buying into iPhones. It’s useful how your photos transfer onto iPad but not enough to shell out for one. My current one was a Xmas present and although it’s been great and probably lasted me approximately 9 years, it would be handy having a laptop. But I’m definitely not shelling out for a MacBook.

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June 26, 2022, 07:26:37 pm
Get one of these. Basically meets your requirements and they’re good machines. If you hate Amazon grab it from curry etc

HP 15.6" Laptop PC 15s-fq2016sa, Intel i5, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, FHD, Natural silver https://amzn.eu/d/6ogvZxV

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#35 Re: New laptop advice
June 26, 2022, 07:51:05 pm
I think a chromebook would be perfect for your usage duncan.

If you want a cheap option google now do a version of chrome os that you can install on lots of laptops (so you dont have to buy a specific chromebook) https://chromeenterprise.google/os/chromeosflex/ This means you could get a cheap second hand machine off fb marketplace or ebay, install chrome os flex and you'd be off.

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#36 Re: New laptop advice
June 26, 2022, 09:23:09 pm
 Second the view that a Chromebook would be perfect. I would take a spin round a big Curry's and/or John Lewis, look at the ones they've got in and speak to the staff. I learnt a lot about chrome books from the JL staff at the Trafford Centre which I found really useful. No hard sell either.

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#37 Re: New laptop advice
June 27, 2022, 01:12:50 pm

Do something clever to my iPad to open up storage - preferable but haven’t managed to sort it yet


Depends on what's consuming all your storage. Otherwise there's no way to know whether this is feasible.

 You can see this in Settings > General > iPad Storage and the usual culprit tends to be images/photos. In which case you could consider offloading those to cloud storage (e.g. iCloud or Google photos)

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#38 Re: New laptop advice
June 27, 2022, 03:09:04 pm

Do something clever to my iPad to open up storage - preferable but haven’t managed to sort it yet


Depends on what's consuming all your storage. Otherwise there's no way to know whether this is feasible.

 You can see this in Settings > General > iPad Storage and the usual culprit tends to be images/photos. In which case you could consider offloading those to cloud storage (e.g. iCloud or Google photos)

All my photos are in the cloud. Think basically it’s just old and full of updates. Cleared my browser cache and deleted all non-essential apps and have managed to re-download Netflix (for now!)

A large part of the storage is media (not sure exactly what this means) and other (equally not too sure)

Have managed to clear about 5GB of space which is enough to keep it limping on for now.

Will look into chromebooks next time I’m near a JL and look to get a refurbished one when this iPad eventually gives up the ghost. Hopefully got a bit more time with it!

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#39 Re: New laptop advice
June 28, 2022, 08:41:10 am

Do something clever to my iPad to open up storage - preferable but haven’t managed to sort it yet


Depends on what's consuming all your storage. Otherwise there's no way to know whether this is feasible.

 You can see this in Settings > General > iPad Storage and the usual culprit tends to be images/photos. In which case you could consider offloading those to cloud storage (e.g. iCloud or Google photos)

All my photos are in the cloud. Think basically it’s just old and full of updates. Cleared my browser cache and deleted all non-essential apps and have managed to re-download Netflix (for now!)

A large part of the storage is media (not sure exactly what this means) and other (equally not too sure)

Have managed to clear about 5GB of space which is enough to keep it limping on for now.

Will look into chromebooks next time I’m near a JL and look to get a refurbished one when this iPad eventually gives up the ghost. Hopefully got a bit more time with it!

Media will be music/video or potentially app content or similar. If you have a large volume of music downloaded on Spotify or just MP3's then this could be causing the issue.

In all honesty though the most straightforward thing to do in order to breath life into an older device is to do a backup of important things and then a hard reset to factory settings. The key thing is to avoid doing some kind of cloud-clone of the device because this will simply restore itself afterwards.

In general on the subject of device longevity - I've got a 2012 base spec Macbook Air with a laughable 64gb SSD that is still trundling along. It can even still edit video (although it can't stream high than 1080p). Keep thinking about replacing it but there's something so stoic about the way it chews through final cut pro.  ;D

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#40 Re: New laptop advice
June 28, 2022, 09:46:24 am
You can see this in Settings > General > iPad Storage and the usual culprit tends to be images/photos. In which case you could consider offloading those to cloud storage (e.g. iCloud or Google photos)

This. And cookies. And we pages / other things it automatically downloaded when you were just looking at them. And if you delete them, remember to clear them from your bin too.

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#41 Re: New laptop advice
August 13, 2023, 12:07:36 pm
I'm thinking about a new laptop, as I've spent the past two days waiting for my 9 year old Lenovo Z51-70 to update, but I think it's getting a bit old now.

I'm after something with a large screen that cna handle video editing (my old one was OK for this but struggles with 1080p). I'd like a large internal HDD, but would be tempted to swap out any hard drive with the (upgraded c. 2 years ago) 2TB SSD I currently have in my old laptop.

Price wise, I'm looking at something relatively budget. It doesn't need to be the highest spec machine, and I'd like to spend something well south of a grand. I like Lenovo but am not tied to the. Definitely windows though!

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#42 Re: New laptop advice
August 13, 2023, 02:22:22 pm
Look at the dell refurbished outlet.. always had good deals from there for work laptops.

 

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