And by the way, one little comparison I'd like to point to is that we've been rated as having the 6th best education system in the world.
My apologies for misinterpreting your use of 'regard'.If by regard you therefore mean its quality you presumably think the UK education system is crap and teachers are for the most part not doing an important job*, whilst the NHS is very good then, and that privatising it would improve the quality of the educational system.
but are you happy to see the NHS that you hold in high regard privatised too?
Sam seems to have addressed that with the ranking of educational systems in countries around the world (although personally I disagree with ranking and think its disingenuous and prefer to see funnel plots for institutional comparison).
Quote from: psychomansam on October 02, 2013, 08:53:15 amAnd by the way, one little comparison I'd like to point to is that we've been rated as having the 6th best education system in the world. Fuck me, how did they work that one out?! Given the tales over the last 20 years of universities having to dumb down 1st year maths and science courses to cope with school leavers having a lower and lower grasp of the subject, the unbelievable grade inflation every year in GCSEs / A-levels , the complaints from employers about how hard it is to find young people that can read, write and add up, etc etc we must have been head and shoulders above the rest of the world 20 years ago! If we're that good then the rest of the world must be really fucked!
And I do not believe teachers have 'an unimportant job' - rather I get the impression that there might be too many of them who aren't very good teachers. But it seems that to question teachers' ability is heresy and instead it must all be fault of the system, no?
Sam's argument that our current education system should be left alone.
whats that a response to sam?
I do not believe teachers have 'an unimportant job' - rather I get the impression that there might be too many of them who aren't very good teachers
QuoteI do not believe teachers have 'an unimportant job' - rather I get the impression that there might be too many of them who aren't very good teachersNo idea how true this is, though I do hear stories of bad teachers existing and being hard to get rid of.But if it is true, then the problem is surely that its not a very attractive occupation? And the strikes are about avoiding making it even less attractive?
If there was more choice I think most of us could afford to pay for a better service than the state is currently providing.
there must be academics out there who can measure it surely?
and mrjonathanmr whats an abrogation?
Quote from: a dense loner on October 03, 2013, 08:00:35 amand mrjonathanmr whats an abrogation?It's like a repudiation.According to the thingie.
Its done on the performance of their class (via exams).
So how would you measure if he does it badly?
Anyway, performance related pay already exists in teaching, in that pay scale progression is depending on annual appraisals, and is also a myth that you can't sack shit teachers, because I've seen shit teachers got rid of by savvy heads, no problem.