[Nibile]

Not the case now.

Very true... 30 degrees here today, Hows it looking your way Lore?

Actually not bad...
29 here in Siena, but 33 and humid in Florence!
Still not perfect 8b temps though...
 

[Jim]

I love vests and I love a vest tan even more.
I prefer to be bare chested when its absolutely boiling but my current flabbyness means this is too embarassing so vests all the way for me

[cha1n]

T-shirt or tops off for power, I don't mess about in between. I bought a vest a month ago to try but I didn't find it much cooler than a t-shirt and then thought, fuck it and went back to tops off.

If you're too self-conscious about weight then hide the cakes or man up. Use it as motivation to start a diet, like when women decide to lose weight because they'll be wearing a bikini soon...

[Oldmanmatt]

Or just wear a Bikini?

[chris05]

Nuff said

[Grubes]

whats the rules for guys who are overweight and have back hair?

[webbo]

Climb in the shed on your own.

[Oldmanmatt]

Climb in the shed on your own.

.

And even then NOT in a Bikini...

[moose]

whats the rules for guys who are overweight and have back hair?

Shave the hair from your arms and pretend you're wearing a furry vest. 

Anyone else amused by the irony of simultaneous threads praising the glories of vests referred to as "wife beaters" and castigating t-shirts that raise money for cancer!?  ... funny old world...

[lagerstarfish]

Anyone else amused by the irony of simultaneous threads praising the glories of vests referred to as "wife beaters" and castigating t-shirts that raise money for cancer!?  ... funny old world...

grim, but ironic

I am actually uncomfortable with the term Wife Beater - not it's use by other people or even in my own writing; I just don't feel comfortable saying it

with a simple logo someone could sell Wife Beaters Against Domestic Violence

almost as unfunny as cancer

every time I hear "but only when I deserve/ask for it" or "apparently I give as good as I get" I feel that there should be some sort of QI style buzzer that goes off - connected to a high voltage electrode fastened to their "partner"

I also drink Stella

 

[thrashhard]

H&M for 5 GBP ?
Instead of 20 Bucks for the moon ones?
http://www.hm.com/gb/product/02737?article=02737-A
No print on it but i´m pretty sure they´re made in the same sweatshop as the moons are.(or at least in one next to the one).

The moon ones are organic FWIW. Dunno where they're made though.

Organic cotton is just a marketing bogus.
In 99% Organic Cotton is still sewn in Sweatshops. If organic cotton gets shipped from Afrika to south east asia and back, the whole thing becomes obsolet.

[lagerstarfish]

so, if I play my cards right, I could sell something called a Wife Beater that exploits/oppresses children with a low life expectancy in its production to people who want the world to know that they use some of their money to fight against a disease that affects people in proportion to their life expectancy?

and it would be organic

I would say something like "god helps those who help themselves", but that might be seen by The Christian Right Conspiracy and I don't want to be on the wrong side of them come the end of the world

I stick with my Tesco recommendation

[thrashhard]

organic is just the way the cottonfields are farmed. low co2-footprint, no biocides, no chemical fertilizer etc.
doesn´t say anything about the way the cotton is manufactured and shipped after the harvest.
even if it is better than nothing, it still is almost nothing.

Did you really think a H&M shirt that sells for 5 GBP and has printed some "organic blabla" on the tag is sewn in a country where people are treated fair?
http://www.hm.com/gb/product/01684?article=01684-A
the tag says clearly bangladesh
it´s just a distraction so that those hippsters think they are so ethical sophisticated

[Robl]

Vests - Depends on how you wear em..




I rekon you can rock that look TT

[Dr T]

organic is just the way the cottonfields are farmed - no chemical fertilizer etc.

Just a bit of chemistry pedantry but no chemical fertilizer? - what do they use as fertilizer then?

Everything is "chemical", you me, the world, the universe - we are all made of chemicals - the inference that "chemicals" are "bad" is oft made and entirely unhelpful

Other than that I agree whole heartedly with your point - it's the same "total environmental audit" thing that most hybrid cars fail appallingly on.

As for 'beaters - Mrs T's rule is that you shouldn't wear them if your shoulders just melt down into your arm with no discernible distinction and change in definition between the two - seems a fair assessment to me.

[cheque]

Mrs T's rule is that you shouldn't wear them if your shoulders just melt down into your arm with no discernible distinction and change in definition between the two - seems a fair assessment to me.

Mine don't and I still look like an absolute tool in one.

[rginns]

Nowt wrong with a wife beater in appropriate weather...

[Stubbs]

the tag says clearly bangladesh
it´s just a distraction so that those hippsters think they are so ethical sophisticated

There's Bangladesh and Bangladesh though innit. http://about.hm.com/content/hm/aboutsection/en/About/Sustainability/Commitments/Responsible-Partners/Supply-Chain.html  H and M actually seem to be doing something about their supply chain.  I assume there's no A/C in most clothing factories in Asia, so I guess they are all 'sweatshops'.

Containerised shipping on boats is quite low carbon per kilo.

Organic is not necessarily low carbon.

[Duma]

Just checked the label on my moon top, "made in turkey" , I believe they're relatively good on working conditions.

[tomtom]

Back from H&M, £9 lighter, but in the posession of one blue vest and one yellow one (with hipster style extra dropped armpits). I shall model them for the greater good (???) of the UKB community in the coming weeks It feels odd having cold shoulders though..

[andy popp]

Oh god Tom, you're not wearing them Saturday are you?




  nowt wrong with a good vest.

[andyd]

They all claim to be good with working conditions. Then the place they work with contracts out all the work elsewhere. Life isn't fair, so don't expect the people who make your clothes to be happy bunnies.

[rich d]

I stick with my Tesco recommendation

Is that for buying Stella or vests?

[Oldmanmatt]

They all claim to be good with working conditions. Then the place they work with contracts out all the work elsewhere. Life isn't fair, so don't expect the people who make your clothes to be happy bunnies.

When I lived in Dubai, I had many long conversations with the guys who came from these countries and their response to the "why do you do it" question was always the same.
It's better than life in the village.
That's not a defense of exploitation. That grips my shit.
But we in the west do forget the context and have a rose tinted view of the rural life...

[lagerstarfish]

I stick with my Tesco recommendation

Is that for buying Stella or vests?

stella is cheaper at Asda