I'll give the VCSs a whirl. It's just with me, when shop person says 'these feel like toe crushers, but at just half size under street shoe, they will break in to be really comfortable'. What i hear is 'we've got a shed load of these, and we need to get em shifted'.
Have worn em about house, and they're a proper toe mangler.
Quote from: Adge on June 26, 2013, 09:45:31 amHave worn em about house, and they're a proper toe mangler.You need to climb and sweat in new shoes to break them in properly.
...but when they break in, what they will do, they wonīt be any stiff anymore. VCS are pretty well known for not beeing stiff.
Otherwise they ming. Like no other brand can...
Quote from: tomtom on June 26, 2013, 11:06:12 am Otherwise they ming. Like no other brand can...I offer you the Evolv Defy. Stink like boiling vomit.Or wear 8 year old 5.10 pinks while DWS, get it wet, then leave for a month or two in a bag under some wet rash vests in the corner of a warm garage. They actually had mould growing in them.
they will break in (VCS) and I take mine 1.5 sizes smaller than street. So for the first 5-8 sessions I can only keep them on for 5-10 min at a time.. after a while theyre fine.. but they always scrunch my toes up.
I'm amazed that shoes only half a size under street size are painful, there's something wrong there. Either your feet are just totally the wrong shape for velcros, or you wear your street shoes about a size too small. If I bought velcros only a half size down they would feel baggy as fuck, I go 1.5 sizes down on almost any rockshoe, except shit like teams or dragons where the sizing is all to cock. Om sporticas I would have to go down 2.5 or 3 sizes as their sizing man is on crack.
a pair of early 90s sportiva Taos.
Quote from: Adge on June 26, 2013, 04:23:25 pma pair of early 90s sportiva Taos. Those black things? A friend had a pair in SA, and the smell was unimagineable. He also used to have to take them off and hide them out of the sun as they got so hot they burned his feet. Bit like Jasper and holy water.
...arthritic toe knuckles in my 40s. Comfort fit all the way for me now.
No problem... on the other hand, aren't the new Instinct VS's all synthetic?
Well, in my time I've been through various incarnations by Croft (Jesus, anyone else remember them?),
Quote from: dave on June 26, 2013, 10:22:31 pmI'm amazed that shoes only half a size under street size are painful, there's something wrong there. Either your feet are just totally the wrong shape for velcros, or you wear your street shoes about a size too small. If I bought velcros only a half size down they would feel baggy as fuck, I go 1.5 sizes down on almost any rockshoe, except shit like teams or dragons where the sizing is all to cock. Om sporticas I would have to go down 2.5 or 3 sizes as their sizing man is on crack.i would like to see you wearing evolvs 1.5 sizes down from your street shoes... even if a also wear my anasazis 1.5 sizes down i cannot agree with your dogma of "every brand 1.5 down". This would definitly not work with boreals blades and i couldnīt imagine my feet in 1.5 downsized dragons or hornets where street=climbing-shoesize. Itīs different with every brand, and sometimes different within one brand, an there is no general downsizing size for climbing shoes.
Quote from: Adge on June 26, 2013, 01:31:03 pmWell, in my time I've been through various incarnations by Croft (Jesus, anyone else remember them?), Croft B3's were my second pair of boots after a very knackered pair of hand-me-down EB's.Not bad for brick edge cruising IIRC...