I'm working through chapters for the new NWB guide.
Quote from: Pantontino on March 14, 2013, 03:07:39 pmI'm working through chapters for the new NWB guide.Is this something to do with sub standard late 80's gangsta rap?
QuoteThis bit I think is more questionable and based on some false assumptions. Firstly that you 'know' someone has done a problem before.No, that was the assumption it was based on. That's why I wrote 'know'.
This bit I think is more questionable and based on some false assumptions. Firstly that you 'know' someone has done a problem before.
I did get trumped on a couple of the first lines I ever recorded as a youth and was thus much more circumspect about 'claiming' them, not that I've ever liked the term. If you don't know that's obviously different, however as Dense said anyone claiming 6bs at Curbar is likely kidding themselves.
In practical reality, whether guides are paper or electronic does not remove the question of design and how the information is presented.
I believe there is a sweet-spot, which most guides are currently at or around, that doesn't attempt to describe every gap-filler or variation.
Current online guides seem unable to accommodate some discrimination between king-lines and cresta-logs; each is awarded a page. I don't see them offering serious competition to print guides until they address this. If folk want to fill them with twaddle then crack on, it'll only make them less usable.
Record what happened and add the amusing back-story as a footnote. Its stuff like that that makes guides readable.
Do I just let it go, or is the FA record sacrosanct?
Quote from: Johnny Brown on March 14, 2013, 03:12:57 pmRecord what happened and add the amusing back-story as a footnote. Its stuff like that that makes guides readable.i have to agree with johnny here. I don't remember dry lists of first ascenters, but first ascents with epic or hilarious back stories stick. I've never climbed or tried anything based on who did the first ascent. I just don't remember care. A good line is a good line.
Maybe I over fixate on NWA - I once did a new route in Honley Quarry called Straight Outta Cleckheaton.
Quote from: Pantontino on March 14, 2013, 03:07:39 pmDo I just let it go, or is the FA record sacrosanct?Let it go - naughty boys should get no credit.
Quote from: Pantontino on March 14, 2013, 03:21:55 pmMaybe I over fixate on NWA - I once did a new route in Honley Quarry called Straight Outta Cleckheaton. ... I think you deserve a medal for that makes hobson moor look lovely
Ha, ha - tis a rather 'special' venue, who's mainonly appeal to me during the long hot summer of 1990 was that I could get there on the bus.
I did sway on way before c.j.d. And I would like it to be called superfuzzbigmuff
I cut down a smallish birch tree
I don't see something like pb.info as being a guide in the traditional sense and don't see why it should be treated as one. There should be a bar but it should be (and is) much lower.I never record stuff, even on the internet which isn't above the quality bar of current guides.
They are not guides, they are interactive databases. The wheat is sorted from the chaff by people logging ascents, commenting and star rating. Online databases challenge the tyranny of received opinion on what is good. The more people use them the better they perform this function. It's sad that more people don't see it like this.
Quote from: Bonjoy on March 14, 2013, 10:30:10 amWaiting until someone else claims a good problem before mentioning your ascent strikes me as grandstanding with a side order of smug superiority.The sort of attitude that I have found to be rife on this forum.
Waiting until someone else claims a good problem before mentioning your ascent strikes me as grandstanding with a side order of smug superiority.
Quote from: Pantontino on March 14, 2013, 03:07:39 pmDo I just let it go, or is the FA record sacrosanct?Do you mean, should you publish something you believe is a falsehood??
Quote from: Jaspersharpe on March 14, 2013, 11:00:27 amQuote from: Bonjoy on March 14, 2013, 10:30:10 amWaiting until someone else claims a good problem before mentioning your ascent strikes me as grandstanding with a side order of smug superiority.The sort of attitude that I have found to be rife on this forum. I think you'll find I made that comment last week. Actually.
Quote from: mrjonathanr on March 14, 2013, 09:24:22 pmQuote from: Pantontino on March 14, 2013, 03:07:39 pmDo I just let it go, or is the FA record sacrosanct?Do you mean, should you publish something you believe is a falsehood??History's written by the victors guidebook writers. I would probably lean towards letting it go. The true FA apparently didn't/doesn't mind not being credited.
QuoteI don't see something like pb.info as being a guide in the traditional sense and don't see why it should be treated as one. There should be a bar but it should be (and is) much lower.I never record stuff, even on the internet which isn't above the quality bar of current guides.Okay, but why don't you practice what you preach? Or is all your stuff amazing?
they get filled with twaddle by folk who don't know any better, whether in terms of crap info on established problems, or crap new problems. OTOH I think most folk do use them for a) getting beta on established problems