Certain walls do put those little BMC disclaimer plaques up saying "holds can spin", so i don't know if that indemnifies them against your litigious plans.
Jim just be glad they have a bolt in them, and not a bolt hole filled with scews
Quote from: Paul B on January 30, 2013, 07:49:31 pmJim just be glad they have a bolt in them, and not a bolt hole filled with screws I've seen that a few times
Jim just be glad they have a bolt in them, and not a bolt hole filled with screws
about 12 feet above a sign that says "holds can spin" or similar
Quote from: lagerstarfish on February 01, 2013, 08:29:34 amabout 12 feet above a sign that says "holds can spin" or similarWas about to write that walls make users aware that this is a possibility.
If you rented someone a moped without a helmet, telling them instead they may have an accident, wouldn't get you out of trouble.
If you were using holds without the screw hole provided, there would be no case to answer.
Now I'm fairly sure that if I did injure myself because of a spinning hold that had a screw hole but no screw in it, I would be able to sue the wall for incorrect installation of holds.However I have no intention of becoming injured or wanting to sue anyone, all I want is to climb without worry of hurting myself due to someone else's laziness.Thoughts?
But you could rent them a moped with a helmet and tell them they may have an accident, would you then still be liable? Helmet doesn't reduce the risk of accident, it protects against the consequences should you have one.
So what is the logic that hold manufacturers use for including (or not) screw holes? Could they in turn be found negligible should a hold spin and it were demonstrated that having a screw hole in a particular place would have prevented it?
All it takes is common fucking sense to realise that bolt/screw-on holds on an indoor wall are not permanent and you accept that they may move when using them, in exactly the same manner as rock in some areas outdoors is unstable and carries an inherently greater risk.
However I have no intention of becoming injured or wanting to sue anyone, all I want is to climb without worry of hurting myself due to someone else's laziness.Thoughts?
If you're not happy with how holds are attached at the wall you go to don't go there (perhaps pointing out the shortcomings on your way out), and find another one where you are satisfied. Simple.