Quote from: jwi on January 08, 2013, 12:47:49 pm If a climber falls in a forest and no one is around to hear him, does he make a sound?I think you will find that if noone is around, he didn't fall in the first place...
If a climber falls in a forest and no one is around to hear him, does he make a sound?
Quote from: Jim on January 08, 2013, 01:17:03 pmComparing Gaskins and Si O' is a bit unfair. At least we know that Gaskins exsits!Did anyone ever meet the legendary Si O'Conner?John Watson of Stone Country met him (mentioned in this interview with Dave F). There might be a write up on his blog about it somewhere that I've a vague recollection of reading at some point.
Comparing Gaskins and Si O' is a bit unfair. At least we know that Gaskins exsits!Did anyone ever meet the legendary Si O'Conner?
Ben its the massive inconsistencies that are frustrating. You can see by watching stick it he's a good climber and that Isla (despite it being too hot on that err pinch) is fine for him, lots of cuts though but then its a climbing film.
Did anyone ever meet the legendary Si O'Conner?
Another example is 'Darkness before Dawn' (8a+) in Ireland. The traverse is 8a then you have to turn the lip 8a+/8b (which I did incidentally say was impossible at the time, but have later been told there are holds up there). 8a into 8a+ has to be in the 8b/8b+ region.
Off topic, but is your Isla footage online? Not an accusation, I'd just be keen to see it.
Off on a tangent here, but climbers who have such bad case of competitive anxiety that they cannot stand climbing or training in front of others (IRL or via a camera-lens) should work on that weakness.After a few years of climbing I started to be uncomfortable when climbing with climbers I did not know and felt a weird self-inflicted pressure to preform. It took away quite a lot of the enjoyment I got out of a day of climbing if "strangers" tagged along, and when I realised how limiting and unfortunate this was I decided to do something about it. Luckily, it was not that hard to get out of that pattern, and after being able to happily climb with anyone anywhere again I got much more enjoyment out of climbing.From what I have seen, most climbers who are not happy to climb when strangers are around soon stop climbing altogether.
http://www.beastmaker.co.uk/blogs/news/7110450-2012-wrap-upAs an aside i have witnesses or unedited video (or both) for all my problems i’ve put up this year (as i’m aware i’ve put up more new blocs this year than si o' connor ever did and he churned them out! which might flag up the bullshit radar) End Sequence is the only exception as the camera was left in Katie's car and she had a meeting in Newcastle. I do however have the footage from the session before with Katie and Ben when i dropped the very last hard move on the out swing and i’d be more than happy to head up there again if it was an issue. Lying makes no sense to me unless you’re weak and have alot to prove. Strong climbers are strong fact. Strong developers cherish undone lines alot more than done ones as they are bloody hard to find.Thankfully bouldering seems to be moving in the direction of it not being taboo to ask for proof. My bold. Are we there yet ? Good thing if so.The rest of the blog is superb BTW
Maybe that's true over where you climb Sasquatch. In the UK we have moved past that macho bullshit, at least to some extent and threads like this help to further the trend.
If someone says they did something and you call them out, one of you is going to end up being a douche.
it's has started to become acceptable to reserve judgement and ask for more proof and that people no longer interpret this request as an accusation of lying.
For recognition to be given, there should first be proof. Therefore it shouldn't be taboo to ask for it, if recognition is being asked for.
I might come across as being at the skeptical end of the spectrum in this thread. That partly stems from climbing with Simpson for a day, before the suspicions arose, and listening to him talk 100% convincingly about his climbing and boxing. Only to .subsequently realise whilst researching Liquid Ambar's history for the NW lime guide that much of it was bullshit and that it would never be possible to separate the facts from the fantasies.
I think you are the one seeing things as too black and white. It's not about "calling people out"
I'm automatically suspicious of the motives of anyone who climbs at a level below the cutting edge and actively seeks publicity
How are you dealing with Liquid Ambar in the guide ? It is one which has belayer/witness corroboration.