The first clip Obi posted was from 2007, and this most recently posted one from 2009. There is some small amount of consolation, in that today, the track, although far different from 30 years ago, hasnt actually degraded much (subjective comparison) in the last 10 15 years of usage from what we see in the videos.
the slabs up the top remain in place in all their glory
perhaps it takes a TRO on a lane or two for more people to share my opinion.. who knows.. maybe its easier not to give a toss when everyone is on your back and just do what you are already getting blamed for? Either way it needs to start with people talking to one another, and not about one another.
well there you have it right there... the fukwit in all its glory. Shocking that he couldnt get his car through there any smoother than that.
The first clip Obi posted was from 2007, and this most recently posted one from 2009. There is some small amount of consolation, in that today, the track, although far different from 30 years ago, hasnt actually degraded much (subjective comparison) in the last 10 15 years of usage from what we see in the videos. and that the slabs up the top remain in place in all their glory (I only write this for the benifit of the keyboard warriors out there, who have not actually been up, It may be worth taking your lazy ass into the park before injecting more "fuck offs" ? )
I realise that I don't have the same level of say in this as those who are still locals........
28 Offence of damaging certain ancient monuments.(1)A person who without lawful excuse destroys or damages any protected monument—(a)knowing that it is a protected monument; and(b)intending to destroy or damage the monument or being reckless as to whether the monument would be destroyed or damaged;shall be guilty of an offence.(2)This section applies to anything done by or under the authority of the owner of the monument, other than an act for the execution of excepted works, as it applies to anything done by any other person.In this subsection “excepted works” means works for which scheduled monument consent has been given under this Act (including any consent granted by order under section 3).(3)In this section “protected monument” means any scheduled monument and any monument under the ownership or guardianship of the Secretary of State [F84or the Commission] or a local authority by virtue of this Act.(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—(a)on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or both; or(b)on conviction on indictment, to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or both.
suggesting that lanes be closed is not warranted as "changing my mind"?, what a joke.
On the contrary, I think you are a little delusional believing that the 4x4 drivers have to give anything at all right now.
it isnt so easy closing a road without the support of the highways agency or police. We have tried it on other trailsorperhaps it takes a TRO on a lane or two for more people to share my opinion..
Quote from: burned on December 10, 2012, 06:47:49 amit isnt so easy closing a road without the support of the highways agency or police. We have tried it on other trailsorperhaps it takes a TRO on a lane or two for more people to share my opinion.. Of course here is a compromise, it is where damage is managable, just like any footpath, bridleway or cycle route - and the lanes are still accessable to all parties exclusively at different times of the year. But it does mean "everyone else" will not be getting all they want... does that in any way define a compromise?I can say with certainty that a larger percentage of the offroad community are willing to make sacrafice and come to a compromise regarding the peaks, than the "everyone else" catagory.. Facinating isnt it?
Of course here is a compromise, it is where damage is managable, just like any footpath, bridleway or cycle route - and the lanes are still accessable to all parties exclusively at different times of the year. But it does mean "everyone else" will not be getting all they want... does that in any way define a compromise?
I especially loved the part where you neglected to suggest anything! Enjoy your legal right to share the lane with us.
For the record, there is currently nothing to prevent illegal offroaders from being prosecuted right now.
Can you point out the part where GCW accused innocent people? He said 4 x 4 users have ignored restrictions and gone off road onto peat, he didn't say all 4x4 users.I wonder if with a bit of publicity for a proposed change of law, 100,000 names could be got on a petition so that this can go to parliament?
His whole post points the finger at 4x4 users in general
The latter demonstrates that there can be no compromises with 4x4 users. They* repeatedly ignore restrictions/ go off road *at least some, but as pointed out previously one bad apple spoils the whole bunch
Good luck with the petition, I am sure the government will push that one straight through for you, go ahead and just fabricate any info or evidence you need so we can tear you a new one in court again.
His whole post points the finger at 4x4 users in general,
I have suggested viable solutions to renovation, maintenance, funding and regulation of the lanes, pretty much everything short of the illegal aspect. It is selfish, but seeing as there has been no progress here, I cant see it being any different IRL.
Your ability to generalize is fantastically warped, luckily its people such as yourself that enable offroading to continue as it does today, and make your peers seem equally as clueless as you.. You need to learn how not to be an ignorant dick and stop accusing innocent people of breaking the law.For the record, there is currently nothing to prevent illegal offroaders from being prosecuted right now.
His whole post points the finger at 4x4 users in general, and mentions nothing about motorbikes. Good luck with the petition, I am sure the government will push that one straight through for you, go ahead and just fabricate any info or evidence you need so we can tear you a new one in court again.
I appreciate the potential for damage up there as much as any of you guys, but the videos really only show one section of the lane that is really bad.
Cheers Nigel, if anyone has the power to change poilicy on the lanes, its the offroaders. Even with my liberal view on conservation, I am a realist, and know that there is no chance at all in convincing offroad users to commit harikari on this issue. If it is all or nothing, then nothing it shall be.
I am going to give up the ghost on this one, enjoy the trails while they are still around, and leave the rest of the world to sort it out.