Like Barrows has said in the past, strength/power is a lazy man's game, endurance is not.
Quote from: Paul B on June 19, 2014, 12:25:43 pmLike Barrows has said in the past, strength/power is a lazy man's game, endurance is not.I would disagree, in my limited experience getting fit is much more simple than getting strong; provided you have a sufficient amount of time getting fit is just a question of getting mileage on routes. Making strength gains always seems to require more discipline (i.e. doing more quality, and sacrificing quantity) and often risks injury.
Fuck that shit
I took Alex and Pauls point to be about what other people actually train though: if you take poll of all the kids in the wall; what are they training? They aren't training endurance. Training power is lazy; standing around chatting doing a one armer every minute or so is physically less demanding than trying to link two hard boulder problems or doing 4x4's.
Quote from: cowboyhat on June 20, 2014, 11:40:53 amI took Alex and Pauls point to be about what other people actually train though: if you take poll of all the kids in the wall; what are they training? They aren't training endurance. Training power is lazy; standing around chatting doing a one armer every minute or so is physically less demanding than trying to link two hard boulder problems or doing 4x4's.Yeah I agree but I would say that these people aren't training and they aren't going to get any good.
Quote from: abarro81 on June 20, 2014, 09:46:40 amFuck that shitFor some many life often gets in the way of climbing.
Quote from: tim palmer on June 20, 2014, 11:59:31 amQuote from: cowboyhat on June 20, 2014, 11:40:53 amI took Alex and Pauls point to be about what other people actually train though: if you take poll of all the kids in the wall; what are they training? They aren't training endurance. Training power is lazy; standing around chatting doing a one armer every minute or so is physically less demanding than trying to link two hard boulder problems or doing 4x4's.Yeah I agree but I would say that these people aren't training and they aren't going to get any good. Exactly, their problem is that they think they are training.
Quote from: slackline on June 20, 2014, 11:53:52 amQuote from: abarro81 on June 20, 2014, 09:46:40 amFuck that shitFor some many life often gets in the way of climbing.For some many most life often gets in the way of climbing.
girlfriend who lives miles away
Tom is a family man, yet is putting in more training hours than me; he's mad for it.
Quote from: Ally Smith on June 20, 2014, 02:17:32 pmTom is a family man, yet is putting in more training hours than me; he's mad for it.I agree that some people make excuses for not training hard, but comparing http://tomrandallclimbing.wordpress.com/ with one young sprog ( i think?) to the Average Joe and his spouse each working 40 plus hours a week, with 2 plus kids is probably not the fairest comparison.
Mid thirties, demanding oil industry job with significant chunk of (inter)national travel, girlfriend who lives miles away, 2 cats, no sprog.
Quote from: SA Chris on June 20, 2014, 04:01:15 pmQuote from: Ally Smith on June 20, 2014, 02:17:32 pmTom is a family man, yet is putting in more training hours than me; he's mad for it.I agree that some people make excuses for not training hard, but comparing http://tomrandallclimbing.wordpress.com/ with one young sprog ( i think?) to the Average Joe and his spouse each working 40 plus hours a week, with 2 plus kids is probably not the fairest comparison.I think its a fair comparison: neither are professional climbers.
Quote from: Ally Smith on June 20, 2014, 02:17:32 pmMid thirties, demanding oil industry job with significant chunk of (inter)national travel, girlfriend who lives miles away, 2 cats, no sprog.A: You don't have a kid so you have NO excuse anyway.B: Girlfriend lives miles away is a hindrance to climbing?!?! I think many would beg to differ.
Ally - The bottom line is that everyone has their own set of advantages and obstacles. Making judgements about other people's lives is bound to be mostly guesswork (to put it politely). I'd also challenge this idea that a time limited climber not training is lazy. Personally I rarely sacrifice climbing time to go training instead. It's a contious decision. I could climb a slightly higher grade by sacrificing climbing for training. To my mind it's a false economy. I'd rather do lots of climbing at grade X rather than less at X+1. Either way I'm still a crap climber in the grand scheme of things, why not enjoy being crap. Just to be clear I respect folk who think the other way, if my circumstances were different I might think the same.
Anyone can do it if they are prepared to lose out on other stuff. It's just that the other stuff can be really good - like friends, pubs, cinema, TV etc.
Quote from: Ally Smith on June 20, 2014, 02:17:32 pmMid thirties, demanding oil industry job with significant chunk of (inter)national travel, girlfriend who lives miles away, 2 cats, no sprog.Lucky bastard!
Sorry I got the wrong end of the stick I thought people were inferring that training strength was easier than stamina but what you are really saying is people are lazy and don't know how to train, which maybe /is true
Personally I rarely sacrifice climbing time to go training instead. It's a contious decision. I could climb a slightly higher grade by sacrificing climbing for training. To my mind it's a false economy. I'd rather do lots of climbing at grade X rather than less at X+1. Either way I'm still a crap climber in the grand scheme of things, why not enjoy being crap.