Flames at 2:12.
Quote from: tomtom on February 01, 2012, 09:41:43 pmBut - to add something to your points about lime, the peak lime (and other places like the Cave) have holds that are wobbly, loose and places where chunks/holds fall off. Maybe the more 'temporary' nature of some limestone (though not all - esp not the water crafted features) makes it seem 'less of a crime' to alter....It's no 'less of a crime' to alter limestone than grit or any other type of rock. Holds fall off the grit, and change in more subtle ways, all the time. Likewise blowtorching. There is no need for double standards here and implying so just serves to further blur the fact that blowtorching should have no place in climbing today.
But - to add something to your points about lime, the peak lime (and other places like the Cave) have holds that are wobbly, loose and places where chunks/holds fall off. Maybe the more 'temporary' nature of some limestone (though not all - esp not the water crafted features) makes it seem 'less of a crime' to alter....
Take a look at the greasey middle section of Longridge for an example of what blow torching does to grit/sandstone!!This is fucking shit, on the surface, looks like this dude knew he was in the wrong by swiftly hiding the torch!
I've never seen a hold broken due to 'clumpy' shoes. I've seen plenty due broken to the force a modern down-toed shoe can apply to a small area.
Hi all,Not condoning the action in anyway possible but would just like to add in the 80's / 90's we used to blow torch the back of the calf in winter to dry out the holds. I don't think those holds have suffered but I don't think it is a good idea going around using a blow torch in this day and age as technology has moved on and the flame is no doubt hoter and more aggressive. I think a small chat with person involved would be better than a linching that someone implied..Blowtorches are widely used in eastern Europe on the lime as I was witness to this in PolandCheers Tony
Quote from: miso soup on February 01, 2012, 11:12:25 pmFlames at 2:12. its a lantern
awwwww i got negative karma for having an oppinion,i best go and cry im so upset
im not trying to dilute the issue im trying to make a point that blowtorching,while totally unaceptable on ANY rock isnt the only problem we face and that the person climbing on the rock when its wet could cause as much damage as if he/she blowtorched it dry
"Chipping, blowtorching, climbing on wet rock, climbing with filthy shoes - the amount of avoidable damage may vary but the attitude is the same"
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Quote from: ferret on February 02, 2012, 12:08:57 amQuote from: miso soup on February 01, 2012, 11:12:25 pmFlames at 2:12. its a lanternI realise it's not a blowtorch but he is still using fire to dry the holds, isn't he?