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Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 09:48:05 am
There you go dave & Bubba.

One for starters...



...the pocket tick mark being particularly essential as it's not visible from The Stride or anything  :roll:

BRUSH THEM OFF YOU FUCKERS (OR DON'T DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE).

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#1 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 09:55:10 am
I'd like to nominate myself:



What a twat!

And Andy Swann:



He shouldn't be allowed on the rock!

I can't see why covering holds in chalk is fine, but drawing a line in chalk is an unforgivable sin.  Someone please explain.

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#2 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 09:55:24 am
(in reply to Fiends post) :: Weird - why do you hell would anyone need tick marks on the starting holds and the huge jug on the arete  :?

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#3 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 09:59:20 am
Quote from: "jonP"

I can't see why covering holds in chalk is fine, but drawing a line in chalk is an unforgivable sin.  Someone please explain.


its cos for the most parts its just totally unnecessary and lazy, especially if no attempt has been made to brush them off. also a distinct bright white line stands out to the casual observer far more than a softer whiteish area of chalk.

i know we can't post up bleau.info photos, but you need to see this:

http://bleau.info/images/honorez/aerodynamite.jpg

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#4 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:02:49 am
Quote from: "jonP"
I can't see why covering holds in chalk is fine, but drawing a line in chalk is an unforgivable sin.  Someone please explain.

It's all about where you draw the line (ho ho ho!):

On some problems, a tick mark is useful where you've got a hard to hit hold. That's not the issue - the problem is:

- often they are vastly over the top; huge double lines pointing to holds that often are pretty obvious to see anyway.
- you don't need them on the obvious starting handholds to problems
- but, the main issue is that it takes a few seconds to brush them off afterwards, leaving a nice clean problem for the next person. The same goes for vast amounts of chalk.

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#5 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:08:58 am
i've found its actually very difficult to brush off the big tickmarks you see, where the person has used a big chunk of chalk to draw the line cos it grind the chalk into the grain of the rock and the lichen, and you're doing extremely well if you can remove it.

much better to just indicate a blind hold with say a light dab of chalk from your finger or chalkball, especially useful in low light, and is easy to brush off.

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#6 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:09:16 am
because a hold wi chalk on is pleasin to the eye n a big tick is not. nowt against tick marks per se but when they're left they look like someones bin defacin the rock. they also make the climber look like a punter. i personally can't look at a photo with tick marks n think that the prob looks nice. i am also aware that u n andy r no punters, so no pun (ter intended)

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#7 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:10:29 am

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#8 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:13:23 am
Not my tick marks, but would have been hard to brush off from ground. Not even on best bit of the top, so useless. Maybe they were training and wanted to grab the shit bit  :roll:


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#9 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:15:42 am
she looks like she's goin to use 6 holds more than necessary.

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#10 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:19:06 am
not u adam, the link.  :wink:
should be some good tick shots of hurricane out there?

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#11 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 10:19:40 am
i thought it was a him (the cuvier one), but sometimes it can be hard to tell.

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#12 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 11:16:52 am
Hard to tell?? That's clearly a girl. At least I've never seen a man with such a shapely arse :up:

Mind you, I guess there aren't many that good :wink:

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Quote from: "Fiend"
There you go dave & Bubba.

One for starters...



...the pocket tick mark being particularly essential as it's not visible from The Stride or anything  :roll:

BRUSH THEM OFF YOU FUCKERS (OR DON'T DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE).


Fiend you posted that photo on RT ages ago!

I'll get you a Policemans Helmet.

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#14 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 01:07:49 pm
Ticks are all very well, but can lead to confusion over exactly which foot to use. :wink:


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#15 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 01:45:21 pm
was at cuba last night and went up to try walk on by (again :roll: ) - some bell end had tick marked the fuck out of every little foothold and put a huge white football sized circle of chalk on and around every handhold. sorry i have no photogenical evidence.

the appeal is that you can't see the holds - it's not the same when you can.

tossers

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#16 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 02:00:05 pm
Cuba! Thats a long way for an evenings action  :D

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#17 tick marks
March 31, 2004, 02:15:51 pm
if you really need to mark the holds on a problem then use little strips of finger tape, which then can be pulled after your effort - this happens a lot at camp 4 - i remeber jerry doing this when he was trying dominator and it was critical to see the middle edge

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#18 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 02:19:03 pm
The finger tape idea is a good one....except for then loads of people just leave the spent tape underneath the problem instead of on it.

Well, they *might* not, but judging by the amount of finger tape / chalk balls that get junked at the crag, it's a big possibility.

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#19 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 02:29:22 pm
Quote from: "Greg Chapman"
Cuba! Thats a long way for an evenings action  :D


i get around...

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#20 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 03:53:30 pm
Quote from: "Bubba"
The finger tape idea is a good one....except for then loads of people just leave the spent tape underneath the problem instead of on it.

Well, they *might* not, but judging by the amount of finger tape / chalk balls that get junked at the crag, it's a big possibility.
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oops - good point

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#21 fishsticks
March 31, 2004, 04:45:22 pm
This issue seems to have become a problem relativly recently. I may be wrong, but even 1 year ago I don't think I ever noticed many tick marks, or heard about them in polite conversation.. What was the pivitol tipping point for this behavior?
I am aware of the general augument that wall climbers introduced to the outdoors might have a different expectation of hold visability. But I am not convinced that this group have been taking to the outdoors at an especially greater rate than over the preceding 4 years, for instance.
So what happened? How has this meme propagated so efficiently?
Certainly the recent tales of holds with entire circles around them and stating holds being ticked have only become common of late and point to the idea of ticking behavior taking hold at orders of magnitude greater levels than earlier.
Crop circles have gone quiet over the last few years. I propose that the artisitcally driven aliens behind that endevour have found a new form of self expression.
I am not convinced that the hyper ticking of eg. the cratcliffe arete is as artistcally valid as the wiltshire cornfields, but who am I to judge.

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#22 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 05:54:30 pm
Apart from the parents I blame videos.  All that violence and stuff warps the minds of these young ruffiens.   :oldgit:
Seriously though, I can think of a few vids that have excessive tick marks.  Monkey see monkey do. :temptation:

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#23 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 07:13:16 pm
I go for the 'negative' tick myself. Simply gozzle spit all over yer toothbrush, then use it to clean a line through the chalk surrounding the hold. Works a treat, and the end result is less chalk on the rock :wink:

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#24 Donkey line / tick mark hall of shame.
March 31, 2004, 09:08:22 pm
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i thought it was a him (the cuvier one), but sometimes it can be hard to tell.


Shouldn't that be in the Fit Birds Who Go Climbing thread?? :wink:

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much better to just indicate a blind hold with say a light dab of chalk from your finger or chalkball, especially useful in low light, and is easy to brush off.


Yer that's what we do, all about the light finger dab rather than the heavy chalked line.



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