Quote from: Bonjoy on November 02, 2012, 02:20:36 pmQuote from: Greg C on November 02, 2012, 01:13:28 pmHmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.Certainly an interesting precedent.Good point. I think it's preferable that sites heavily reliant on user added content should be directly updatable by users, as is the case with pb.info. That way the site isn't tied to the fate/whim of the creator. That said, even then you need some basic maintenance from the creator or the site gets ever more untidy and clunky, as is sadly becoming the case with pb.info....I agree, but YG is not updatable by users (other than grade voting and comments), Jon has to implement the submitted information himself, which I guess is at the heart of the problem. This fact is that this means that the site (in its current state of operation) deteriorates as a useful medium month after month, year after year. The site has an Alexa ranking of 20,000,000+ I suspect if you looked at its ranking 5 years ago it would have been somewhere around 3000,000. Putting all the opinion, detail and emotion aside, the biggest issue facing Yorkshire bouldering is that it no longer has a universal hub to record first ascent information. This is a travesty and one that needs attending to some how. Having said all that, I'm not implying that it should be Jon's job to sort out the issue.
Quote from: Greg C on November 02, 2012, 01:13:28 pmHmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.Certainly an interesting precedent.Good point. I think it's preferable that sites heavily reliant on user added content should be directly updatable by users, as is the case with pb.info. That way the site isn't tied to the fate/whim of the creator. That said, even then you need some basic maintenance from the creator or the site gets ever more untidy and clunky, as is sadly becoming the case with pb.info....
Hmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.Certainly an interesting precedent.
This thread disappoints me. I donated a tenner last year and thought if everyone who uses the site regularly does the same it will be fine for years to come, obviously I was wrong. When Jon asks for more donations people are happy to post on here they will contribute but then obviously they don't follow through. I'm not sure if people recognise the fact that Jon has set this up in his own time at his own cost and now just wants his costs covered. I bet plenty of people have been happy to 'donate' £24 for the new guide book which I would expect will be making a profit for someone at some point and is also not something which can be updated or, regardless of what it says on the front, is definative (I know the guide has routes as well as bouldering so it is not exactly the same). If people don't donate and it gets removed then, whilst I would miss it, I would fully understand. I'm not prepared to keep donating when it's obvious others aren't.
If so are they willing to funnel a proportion of every guidebook sales profit (which is I would imagine slim at best) back to the website?
Quote from: slackline on November 08, 2012, 09:33:33 pmIf so are they willing to funnel a proportion of every guidebook sales profit (which is I would imagine slim at best) back to the website? They already have!
Not directly though Total climbing and the Depot are the same person.
07.11.2012Coming soon - updates!
also isn't the 'definitive' guide JK is referring to the new guide from the YMC (as it covers routes)?
oh ok, but is that the same as a proportion of each guide's profit being donated as I was asking?
Quote from: yorkshiregrit.com07.11.2012Coming soon - updates!
I don't know, both guides would have benefited from yorkshiregrit.com so I'm not sure which he's referring to but I assumed he meant the bouldering guide.
Gutted!!!
RIP Yorkshiregrit.comFor many years Jon updated this fabulous resource. But all good things come to an end.I'd like to say thanks to Jon for all his hard work and it sincerely has been a pleasure taking photos and video for it. It got me into photography.Here's to Yorkshire Grit raise your glass and Like.