[Adam Lincoln]

So we can help iron out a few contentious grades for routes in new guide. Please save any comments for other thread on the subject.

[Serpico]

No (soft) option for 7c+? Steve Roberts won't be happy

[Paul B]

I don't mean to be contentious but there are two polls already for this, not to mention a shed load of comments?

http://www.rockfax.com/databases/r.php?i=2747

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=12476

[Serpico]

I don't mean to be contentious but there are two polls already for this, not to mention a shed load of comments?

http://www.rockfax.com/databases/r.php?i=2747

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=12476

50/50 on Rockfax
and 13/12 in favour of 8a on UKC

[Paul B]

But all you're doing here is allowing UKB'ers to have a second vote?

[Adam Lincoln]

But all you're doing here is allowing UKB'ers to have a second vote?

Id just like a fresh, new opinion. With people having climbed other routes and got a better perspective Paul.

[slackline]

But all you're doing here is allowing UKB'ers to have a second vote?

Id just like a fresh, new opinion. With people having climbed other routes and got a better perspective Paul.

A worthy goal but an additional poll doesn't really achieve that.

[Serpico]

Can we have AV?

[Adam Lincoln]

Can we have AV?

AV?

[Serpico]

AV.
I appreciate I'm not really helping with the poll here

[Adam Lincoln]

AV.
I appreciate I'm not really helping with the poll here

 

[cofe]

can you vote if you haven't done it?

[slackline]

can you vote if you haven't done it?

Of course you can, its easy to tell what grade a route is just by looking at it...."Looks like 8a to me". 

[cofe]

what if you haven't done it, but you've said you have? Or haven't done and said you haven't? Or don't know if you haven't said you have or haven't not done it? Just trying to cover all bases.

[slackline]

what if you haven't done it, but you've said you have? Or haven't done and said you haven't? Or don't know if you haven't said you have or haven't not done it? Just trying to cover all bases.

All opinions are valid, even if you've done it but not seen it  (but some opinions are more valid than others).

[cofe]

IS THE LOUDEST OPINION THE MOST VALID?

[slackline]

YES

[GCW]

Fuck's sake, just call it 8a and make a note it's tough for the grade.

[Probes]

What if youve done it but totally lost confidence in what grades are because all the people you climb with think its a different grade and they are all different heights and morphs anyway and use different sequencies and clip longer draws and use different boots to you and your weak on crimps but have strong loins and the first ascentionist did it in a helmet and with a head jam and then your saw a german bloke in a kilt flash it and now your just really confused and outofbreath. 

[slackline]

Thats the definitive knowledge required to answer the ultimate question to life the universe and everything. 

[robertostallioni]

But is life, the universe and everything 42a or 42a+?

[Jaspersharpe]

As long as you don't use Vogon grades.

[dave]

I'm voting for hard 7d+

[The Aaronator]

What if youve done it but totally lost confidence in what grades are because all the people you climb with think its a different grade and they are all different heights and morphs anyway and use different sequencies and clip longer draws and use different boots to you and your weak on crimps but have strong loins and the first ascentionist did it in a helmet and with a head jam and then your saw a german bloke in a kilt flash it and now your just really confused and outofbreath. 

  but it's definitely 8a. You have to look at it in view of similar-ish climbs e.g. The Thumb (8a, harder for the pumped), Cold Steel (8a, similar), They Brush me (8a+ and a lot harder), GBH (8a+, harder), Zoolook (???? ???).

You can have AF8a+ of course....

IMO

[Ru]

I've never even been on it, but I think my position after I'd done it would be to say that it felt like 8a ( ) whilst shrugging my shoulders (like this ) and accepting the 8a+ tick.

[Andy F]

You can have AF8a+ of course....

IMO

That could make it 7c+. Or 8a. Or 8a+. Or 8b 

[Probes]

What if youve done it but totally lost confidence in what grades are because all the people you climb with think its a different grade and they are all different heights and morphs anyway and use different sequencies and clip longer draws and use different boots to you and your weak on crimps but have strong loins and the first ascentionist did it in a helmet and with a head jam and then your saw a german bloke in a kilt flash it and now your just really confused and outofbreath. 

  but it's definitely 8a. You have to look at it in view of similar-ish climbs e.g. The Thumb (8a, harder for the pumped), Cold Steel (8a, similar), They Brush me (8a+ and a lot harder), GBH (8a+, harder), Zoolook (???? ???).

You can have AF8a+ of course....

IMO

WTF, harder for the pumped? you'll have to explain that 

[The Aaronator]

WTF, harder for the pumped? you'll have to explain that 

Its a lot harder if your stamina aint so good, but its just a comparison for the 8a grade. You'd breeze up it, there's only two small holds on it, the rest are huge 

[Serpico]

You can have AF8a+ of course....

IMO

That could make it 7c+. Or 8a. Or 8a+. Or 8b 

8b???? Are you on crack?

[Andy F]

You can have AF8a+ of course....

IMO

That could make it 7c+. Or 8a. Or 8a+. Or 8b 

8b???? Are you on crack?

Not if you go off the new improved Aaronated grade table...

[Serpico]

Here's a poll for you.
Then we can get an AF bouldering grade chart as well.

[Andy F]

Here's a poll for youHere's a poll for you.
Then we can get an AF bouldering grade chart as well.

That won't work, there's no option for 7B+