Oh, and Big Al Queada (or however you spell it) was nicked from under Big Al's nose by a strong Irish chap, whos name escapes me. One of those baltic days when a load of folks all chucked their mats under the bit of rock Al was thrashing about on, and a session type thing developed until the thing was finally dispatched. Big Al may not have been the first up it, but his 'working name' for the problem has stuck. It is a touch of class, and very hard if you is a small person :cry: V8/9 seems about right though.