I climb at Font on a weekly basis, I have done most of the low level circuits in the forest and I find the evidence for damaged rock caused by pof to be exaggerated. I have seen people credit damage to rock to pof that in my completely unscientific opinion is polish caused by generations of climbers. I also believe the level of damage is exaggerated by people as an excuse to misuse chalk.
the reason for me starting to use it in the fist place.
I still think its pretty arrogant to dismiss it as the ramblings of the misinformed, or to assume we know better. Its their forest after all. They've been bouldering intensively there for a lot longer than we or anyone else have, and all said the place is not in bad shape.
Andy, if that's still not satisfied you maybe remember that if you want to construct a cogent argument going ad hominem is generally to be avoided. If that's still not enough, try Romans 2:1 or Luke 6:42.
Quote from: rodma on February 08, 2011, 12:11:46 pmthe reason for me starting to use it in the fist place. I hate to think where that might be. And why.
I was referring to your first / fist typo. But yeah, Charcuterie is pretty bad. Even if you can lank up to the hold.
it's like a religion, every one has his/her faith. in the future we might find out some magic antiperspirant stuff that works a treat in minimal quantities, lasting several attempts on even the sweatiest hands, and we'll use special moisture-wicking fibers to dry/brush holds?
as for chalk, apart from visual impact the greatest threat that i see in it is that it can encourage erosion by use of too hard brushes, and because it encourages one to climb in slightly wet conditions, when the sandstone is more fragile.
Quote from: ghisino on February 15, 2011, 03:39:08 pmit's like a religion, every one has his/her faith. in the future we might find out some magic antiperspirant stuff that works a treat in minimal quantities, lasting several attempts on even the sweatiest hands, and we'll use special moisture-wicking fibers to dry/brush holds?It'd be nice to think so but it seems unlikely when any attempt to discuss alternative methods of drying hands or even the best way to use chalk is met with hysteria by "the faithful".
Quote from: i.munro on February 15, 2011, 04:32:25 pmQuote from: ghisino on February 15, 2011, 03:39:08 pmit's like a religion, every one has his/her faith. in the future we might find out some magic antiperspirant stuff that works a treat in minimal quantities, lasting several attempts on even the sweatiest hands, and we'll use special moisture-wicking fibers to dry/brush holds?It'd be nice to think so but it seems unlikely when any attempt to discuss alternative methods of drying hands or even the best way to use chalk is met with hysteria by "the faithful".Liquid chalk?
Does it work? There doesn't seem to be a great deal of information about it.
Quote from: fried on February 15, 2011, 05:00:45 pmDoes it work? There doesn't seem to be a great deal of information about it.Only one way of finding out....dig deep down the sides of your sofa.
Sorry, I thought you might be using it,
just looking for a bit of personal insight. I'll go and ask Google then.
Quote from: fried on February 15, 2011, 05:18:20 pmSorry, I thought you might be using it,No, thats why I used the shrug -> Quote from: fried on February 15, 2011, 05:18:20 pm just looking for a bit of personal insight. I'll go and ask Google then.I predict it will work for some people who love it, whilst others hate it.
I've stopped googling already; Pof vs Chalk vs clean hands I can just about take, add some liquid chalk into the mix, now that starts getting seriously messy
Then add into the confusion the fact some brands of liquid jizz contain resin anyway.
Megagrip doesn't, unless it's hiding under the pseudonym 'thickener' neither does the Mammut one.