[neil h]

 


I dont care if its on a shit bit of rock, but this guy deserves a kick in the arse

found these pics on there font trip report

[dave]

KNOBHEAD.

[liam fyfe]

why would you? as said before KNOBHEAD!

[Tris]

Name and shame... 

[Paul B]

Is that carved in or chalked?

[neil h]

does it matter if its chalked or carved, looks carved to me,

it sets a president for people just to go round the planet tagging all the rocks cause it looks cool, espesially done by the mountainering club, half the people on the trip have never climbed outside so whats this saying to them

[liam fyfe]

does look carved. im from south wales but dont recognize the knob in the picture.

[Paul B]

does it matter if its chalked or carved, looks carved to me,

Of course it does, one washes off the other is more permanent. I'm not advocating 'Tagging' in any way or running around drawing on boulders, however, if it washes off its less of a crime.

[liam fyfe]

where did you get the pics from? cant find it on there website.

[neil h]

found them on facebook

[neil h]

uploaded by Ben Fitzgerald

dont know if this is anything to with them

[Sloper]

Would that be their rather than there?

Just to save you from the cunts trying to be pedantic.

What a load of tossers.

[Paul B]

Before the lynching continues it might be wise to find out if its carved or just drawn on.

Also adding other pictures into a thread entitled "CUMC are CVNTS" or something similar seems a bit daft/misleading/jumping to conclusions.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think its on in any way shape or form, but in this case you're insinuating that they're carving rock. Its a big accusation to point at a climber without the full knowledge.

[tomtom]

I would guess CUMC is Cardiff UNIVERSITY Mountaineering Club (being a former member of the Leeds equivalent LUUMC)...

Indeedy - here they are: (image linked..)



Daft yoofs.. looks like its just chalk to me ? 

[Paul B]

Daft yoofs.. looks like its just chalk to me ? 

Ditto

[clgladiator]

Daft yoofs.. looks like its just chalk to me ? 

the perpetrator seems to be paying too much attention the marking for it too be just chalk, looks like a carving to me. KNOBHEADS.

[dave]

The green lichen on the edges of the lower half of the letters makes it look prety much scratched in, to my mince pies at least.

[Paul B]

uploaded by Ben Fitzgerald

dont know if this is anything to with them

having said that there is a CUMC hoodie on full view in that pic which I previously missed.

[Drew]

The green lichen on the edges of the lower half of the letters makes it look prety much scratched in, to my mince pies at least.

Forgive my ignorance, or lack of understanding, but surely the lichen would take months to grow, rather than minutes?

To me it looks like chalk, but it's still a pretty stupid thing to do.

[liam fyfe]

either way its not really on. must be a bit sad to go to font and graffiti etc when there so much great bouldering to be done.

[Paul B]

either way its not really on. must be a bit sad to go to font and graffiti etc when there so much great bouldering to be done.

like I pointed out earlier; there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between the two 'crimes'.

[Eifeler]

Forgive my stalking skills. That rock looks a far cry from Font. Perhaps Oxwitch Bay.

[tomtom]

Yeah, I think its chalk. Having (ahem) carved names in things before as a foolish yoof (you know, TomTom 4 Tracey etc..) its really hard to carve corners - carved letters tend to end up as lots of straight lines - Those pics also look like it fades in and out across the strokes - which I'd have thought pretty hard to do if you were carving...

Still, you cant be the sharpest tool in the shed (sorry I couldnt resist) if you carve/chalk a recognisable club name/logo into something... certainly a candidate for the Tickmark hall of Twatdom... 

Good stalking Eifeler - Is the 'perp' is the bloke at the end of the vid - spikey hair and black jacket..?

[liam fyfe]

either way, you dont want graffiti all over the rock. but it doesnt look like font rock does it!?

[robertostallioni]

There's some pretty serious offences going on in the vid too. Notably that beret and the 1.18 pad dab.

reminds me of

[chriss]

PRICKS- no wonder we get the 'Brits abroad' tag..........

[liam fyfe]

  hahahahahahahaha! very good

[Lund]

Ah, so that's what CUMC stands for.  Saw them in the massive supermarket (the complex with decathlon in).  One had a grey hoodie with some kind of crossed ice axes as the logo.

Nothing says "pecker" quite as much as a hoodie with a student club logo with such a gay logo.  So such childish behaviour doesn't surprise me at all.

[Lund]

The green lichen on the edges of the lower half of the letters makes it look prety much scratched in, to my mince pies at least.

Forgive my ignorance, or lack of understanding, but surely the lichen would take months to grow, rather than minutes?

To me it looks like chalk, but it's still a pretty stupid thing to do.

Lichen takes YEARS.  You can date the last ice age from the size of a lichen patch.

[KH]

This behaviour is really dissapointing and is pretty reflective of a number of university groups that visit Font over the easter break.

I know quite a few 'climbers' from the Cardiff club and most are good people.  It would be a shame to taint everyone from the Cardiff club because of the stupid behaviour of this one individual.

Neil H, where is this in Font?

[neil h]

the thing is one of my friends happened to be on the trip with said club, I will find out were this tagging went on and go see if it is chalk or not, but even if it is chalk it does not excuse the fact of doing it in the first place.

[dave]

The green lichen on the edges of the lower half of the letters makes it look prety much scratched in, to my mince pies at least.

Forgive my ignorance, or lack of understanding, but surely the lichen would take months to grow, rather than minutes?

To me it looks like chalk, but it's still a pretty stupid thing to do.

Lichen takes YEARS.  You can date the last ice age from the size of a lichen patch.

Obviously i'm not suggesting lichen has grown on top of it, that would be blatantly idiotic. What i meant is there is lichen on the rock which will have had to be scratched through, hence the green edging.

[Drew]

Obviously i'm not suggesting lichen has grown on top of it, that would be blatantly idiotic. What i meant is there is lichen on the rock which will have had to be scratched through, hence the green edging.

It did seem a little odd 

[Clart]

Can we please make sure we refer to them as Cardiff University Climbing Club. Like KH and Liam I'm also from the area and would not want any confusion to arise between these types and other great climbing clubs in the area.

It's good that this has been highlighted though. Many University clubs suffer from all the experienced members graduating at the same time, leaving no one behind to tell the newbies what is and what isn't acceptable behaviour (although you would hope it would be obvious in this case).'

[wilchivs]

Hello all. Apologies if I have caused an/any offence - it is me you see in the picture. The situation has been taken slightly out of context however. You are correct that this is a rock in Fontainbleau. However, the said rock is at a rear exit of a disused, extensive network of mining tunnels which we explored - miles from anywhere that might be called 'Font' by us climbers. The rock that now bears 'CUMC' was decorated from top to bottom with people's names, random french and english slogans and pictures. I'm not excusing it, I am merely pointing out that if one were to find this rock (which you would have great difficulty doing) my small addition would by now be lost within the rest. For those in the forum questioning whether it was chalk or carved, it was carved like everything else there (sorry Paul B, their assumptions were correct). Mind you, carved is a somewhat loose term, the rock was so soft it could have been done with a fingernail (not that this matters some will say, I am pointing out that I did not meticulously spend an age defacing a sacred Font boulder) In response to Liam Fyfe, you are right, it doesn't look like Font rock does it? It isn't - it is a much much softer and grainier type of sandstone and, under the surface as you can see, very white like the rest of the sand in the cave system. And to your earlier post, it is sad to be doing this rather than bouldering. We would have been bouldering had it not been chucking it down with rain all day, hence the exploration of the caves we directed to (they are very cool by the way). Later that day we did get to l'Elephant and no rock tagging was done...

Now, I'll take any more questions you might have or insults/accusations. I'll field them as best as possible. Again, I am sorry to have offended anyone - rest assured if I had seen someone tagging La Marie Rose I'd have kicked off too. I would ask that you refrain from dragging my club's name through the mud any more though - we are a great club, one of the largest around I would guess and have nothing but respect for precious Font boulders! Direct any abuse at me please, not CUMC. Oh yes, Eifeler, no it is not me in the video.

[Lund]

Good post, good response - in that you're right, you no longer deserve to be shot repeatedly in the face with a shotgun.

I still think scratching shit in stuff is a bit childish, whatever/wherever it is, or whether anyone else has done it or not.  Bit like "Jon for Julie Forever" on a desk at school, just 'cos everyone else does, doesn't mean you should, blah blah blah.

Don't do it again. 

[magpie]

It wasn't the most sensible thing to do, I think we're all agreed, but good on you for owning up and explaning the situation.

[bobkatebob]

I don't care if it was on chossy rock, I don't care what the perpertrators use to justify their actions.

There are pictures out there of people vandalising rock in Font from Cardiff Uni Climbing club.

The pictures don't tell a story to make it "ok", they tell a story saying that it is perfectly legitamate to vandalise rock.

If this happened on ANY rock in the peak the purpotrators would have been hung drawn and quartered by now.

What are these vandals going to think is ok to do next? What else are they going to tag with grafiti on their next trip?

Rather than hearing why they thought vandalism was ok, (I can't be bothered with 1/2 hearted excuses for something that is 100% wrong), I would have prefered to hear how they were going to deal with it and make amends.

Purpotrators, hang your heads in shame.

[Paul B]

I don't care if it was on chossy rock, I don't care what the perpertrators use to justify their actions.

There are pictures out there of people vandalising rock in Font from Cardiff Uni Climbing club.

The pictures don't tell a story to make it "ok", they tell a story saying that it is perfectly legitamate to vandalise rock.

If this happened on ANY rock in the peak the purpotrators would have been hung drawn and quartered by now.

What are these vandals going to think is ok to do next? What else are they going to tag with grafiti on their next trip?

Rather than hearing why they thought vandalism was ok, (I can't be bothered with 1/2 hearted excuses for something that is 100% wrong), I would have prefered to hear how they were going to deal with it and make amends.

Purpotrators, hang your heads in shame.

How would you expect them to deal with it and make ammends? They've apologised, admitted it was stupid etc. There's no undo button.

[slackline]

The pictures don't tell a story to make it "ok", they don't tell a story saying that it is perfectly legitamate to vandalise rock.

The pictures don't tell any story other than a carving was made on the rock and that the person doing the carving chose to write the initials of a club that they are affiliated with, thats it.

People record themselves doing all sorts of illegal and unethical things.  Just search YouTube and there are tons of videos of people breaking the speed limit in cars/on bikes.  It doesn't make it right/ok or wrong, but does show that their actions are foolish, as is the case here.

As for the assertion that had it happened in the Peak District, I don't think the perpetrators of the vandalism at Curbar in a highly visible and prominent position have been identified, let alone "hung drawn and quartered"...

[nik at work]

There's no undo button.

What!! This is TwentyTen, there should be undo jetpacks. Come on scientists get to work...

[Wangy]

I don't care if it was on chossy rock, I don't care what the perpertrators use to justify their actions.

There are pictures out there of people vandalising rock in Font from Cardiff Uni Climbing club.

The pictures don't tell a story to make it "ok", they tell a story saying that it is perfectly legitamate to vandalise rock.

If this happened on ANY rock in the peak the purpotrators would have been hung drawn and quartered by now.

What are these vandals going to think is ok to do next? What else are they going to tag with grafiti on their next trip?

Rather than hearing why they thought vandalism was ok, (I can't be bothered with 1/2 hearted excuses for something that is 100% wrong), I would have prefered to hear how they were going to deal with it and make amends.

Purpotrators, hang your heads in shame.

Regarding the above reply, I think a little perspective would go a long way!

O.k., it wasn't the smartest move, but the back of a disused mining tunnel really is in no way comparable to vandalising proper font/peak rock. I'd be interested in how many quarry faces/mining tunnels bobkatebob has indirectly vandalised, such as by laying a patio or choosing to drive on a paved roads.

Wangy
(ex-CUMC)

[Iesu]

 I'd be interested in how many quarry faces/mining tunnels bobkatebob has indirectly vandalised, such as by laying a patio or choosing to drive on a paved roads.

Wangy
(ex-CUMC)

that's a bit like accusing someone of supporting Israel's Zionist agenda for using a computer with Intel Inside 

[Jaspersharpe]

Or as ridiculous as threatening to prosecute a library because someone's downloaded a file using their wifi connection?

Ah hang on........

[Wangy]

that's a bit like accusing someone of supporting Israel's Zionist agenda for using a computer with Intel Inside 

O.k., my example may have been a little extreme, but the point remains, a little perspective is required here, we are talking about a disused mining tunnel!

Wangy

[bobkatebob]

Nope we are talking about pictures of someone vandalising font rock with Cardiff Uni Clubs name.

great embasadors for the club and Uni arn't they? Worst of all, great embasadors for climbers from the UK 

[Paul B]

a little perspective is required here
Wangy

Not really, what you did was wrong full stop to try and justify it any way regardless of where it happened is a little futile.
HOWEVER...

Nope we are talking about pictures of someone vandalising font rock with Cardiff Uni Clubs name.

great embasadors for the club and Uni arn't they? Worst of all, great embasadors for climbers from the UK 

as they apologised, its time to let it go as they can't do anything to fix it apart from what they already have.
Neil, or Bobkatebob or Neil accidentely logged in as Bobkatebob what would you have them do about it now?

If you feel strongly about it then call up the uni and inform them of this incident and I'm sure they'll take disciplinary action (I don't think any uni likes this kind of press) but in reality that seems petty after a full apology.

[bobkatebob]

I am me thank you.

Now if it was in the UK amd they said that their next trip was a BMC crag clean up as way of paying their dues I would then be impressed.

Sorry is such an easy word to say, I really think it is over used and under meant (if you get what I mean) especially when coupled with a lame justification. I think actions speak louder than words.

[Wangy]

what you did was wrong full stop

Firstly, I didn't do anything. I'm no longer part of CUMC or have anything to do with the incident! I was merely stating personal opinions.

Secondly, you are still lacking perspective here! "Man writes name of climbing club at back of disused mining tunnel" - not clever, but then neither is getting on your high horse and making it out to be crime of the century. Get a life.

Wangy

[Paul B]

I hope you've read all my posts here Wangy as thats been my bottom line all the way fecking through. My point was saying anything other than oops that was stupid is pointless, there's little chance of justifying it  in any way with any kind of perspective. Sorry for mistaking you as the person in question, my mistake.

"Get a life", what is this 1995?  

[neil h]

what you did was wrong full stop

Firstly, I didn't do anything. I'm no longer part of CUMC or have anything to do with the incident! I was merely stating personal opinions.

Secondly, you are still lacking perspective here! "Man writes name of climbing club at back of disused mining tunnel" - not clever, but then neither is getting on your high horse and making it out to be crime of the century. Get a life.

Wangy

Hey man, thanks for owning up, it takes guts, it does not excuse you from said crime, but non the less you admitted it, I just wanted to poin this out so people dont get the wrong impression that carving names on rock is the done thing to do, I live in font and I love the forest, the way the forest is going at the moment with the way people treat it another 10 years and the place will be fucked, pardon the language

just dont do it again, 

we all need to respect the rocks, font or uk or anywere for that matter, a bit of common scense goes a long way, and its our responsabilitie to teach the newbies the right codes of coduct

[Bonjoy]

As a worthwhile discussion arose from this thread, I have split these posts off and started a new thread with them in Bouldering called “The state of Font in 2010”. Please continue the discussion of that subject there.