I'm not surprised that Rich found Greenheart relatively ok, it suits him down to the ground, doesn't mean its not V12 though, i reckon its as hard as similar problems in Europe, Total Eclipse in font, Unendliche Geschitee 1 in Magic Wood, both proper 8a+'s. Statement was onsight which is an awesome effort considering he's just been bouldering recently and it's January. Blimey :roll: