[Oldmanmatt]

Click.... and sigh. Always aliens with that guy.


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C'mon! It'd be sooo cool though! I might never grow up on the alien front.


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[Stu Littlefair]

Want a paper on aliens? Now this is more like it!

https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.10432


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[Oldmanmatt]

[emoji6]Obviously, this is Academia shilling for the Deep Government; to promote the "No conspiracy" conspiracy... [emoji13]

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147905&type=printable

[tomtom]

Not often I read things that pop into my work (science-ish) twitter feed... but this caught my eye...

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2017/03/28/paleoburrows-south-america/#.WO0yWVJcvun.twitter

Tunnels dug by South American mega fauna

[Oldmanmatt]

Read that a couple of weeks ago, talk about a trace fossil!
So big, it would never have been spotted, had it truly fossilised. Make me wonder what we've missed?

[tomtom]

Read that a couple of weeks ago, talk about a trace fossil!
So big, it would never have been spotted, had it truly fossilised. Make me wonder what we've missed?

Aylyuns... undurgh the beds..

[Oldmanmatt]

Read that a couple of weeks ago, talk about a trace fossil!
So big, it would never have been spotted, had it truly fossilised. Make me wonder what we've missed?

Aylyuns... undurgh the beds..

Nah, they're obvious.

They left Pyramids everywhere...

[tomtom]

Read that a couple of weeks ago, talk about a trace fossil!
So big, it would never have been spotted, had it truly fossilised. Make me wonder what we've missed?

Aylyuns... undurgh the beds..

Nah, they're obvious.

They left Pyramids everywhere...

Tut Tut.

[Oldmanmatt]

Nano particles as Antibiotic agents. Sounds promising and seems unlikely to become obsolete through evolving resistance.

Very Sci-Fy, love it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nmicrobiol2016162

[Oldmanmatt]

Stu! Stu!

It’s aliens again Stu!

How come you keep pointing your telescope the wrong way?

https://www.sciencealert.com/new-harvard-study-suggests-weird-interstellar-object-oumuamua-could-be-an-alien-solar-sail

[Stu Littlefair]

Actually, I observed oumuamua when it drifted by. Wierd thing that.

Probably is aliens this time.

[Oldmanmatt]

 

Yea!!

 




Of course, it’s probably an invasion fleet, or the Vogon demolition crew.

Anyone got a towel I can borrow?

[tomtom]

I really love the article. May use it in teaching. It’s a great example of how ideas / theories are formed, evolve and are maybe disproved.

I also love the way it reflects that we really know very little about many many things!!

[Falling Down]

So intriguing and exciting.

[Falling Down]

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2018/10/29/on-oumuamua-thin-films-and-lightsails/

[Steve R]

After On podcast put out earlier today interviewing the Harvard astrologer, Avi Loeb who wrote that paper on ‘Oumuamua.  Not much new information if you've read a bit about it but topic remains exciting and nice to hear a conversation about it with the man himself. 

[DAVETHOMAS90]

Having one's claims disputed in climbing may be one thing (I'd personally always prefer to take inspiration from the myth though), but imagine the travails of those facing bitter rivals in science and medicine..

Like Luc Montagnier and the late Jaques Benveniste:

A fantastic film on the way that electromagnetic signals from DNA are stored in water, and it's possible implications and applications:



https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_814619?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJSZ4mg__ozh_jt5c5XAfWF8JqrLKMfu8uacjdRB8fxYm3__CI5qWNCEmL7_K2RYPubr1EguMuC0CpggZRX8NLP0PWRMYJ-U0cNU7ncFLW4W1hVh_kXxrjmvfyGUhQk1DX7-P9p8EHGze_G6-ARtnVf561BZ6fyfk0v83E8nEeGv

https://www.q-mag.org/jacques-benveniste-and-the-memory-of-water.html

[teestub]

http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/

[DAVETHOMAS90]

You'll note that my post wasn't about whether or not homeopathy works.

Thanks for your informative post.

[teestub]

But it was about a widely debunked experiment, with irreproducible results, often used to attempt to give some scientific credence to homeopathy.

Unlike climbing claims, experiments can be tried by others (or by the same people with witnesses when they are rerun) and if similar results aren’t reached then the original results can be judged incorrect.

[DAVETHOMAS90]

A widely questioned experimental process, but that itself is clearly challenged, and open to speculation. Rather than addressing the arguments, you are really just siding with a particular group with the intending of discrediting - which I find very boring.

The new work on "water memory" sounds really exciting. Is that all hocum too? Is Montagnier a fraud?

What you've not understood is the relevance of this to climbing.

In the future, there will be no "holds" in the classical sense, on the hardest boulders; they will exist as statistical phenomena. The kinetic matrix of top end problems will be embedded in mobile phone signals, which you'll literally be able to telephone (phone placed next to a glass of water).

If, after drinking the water you don't hold marginal areas, you'll be able to blame it on "low signal" days.

This is going to happen; I was having a chat with Johnny about it earlier.

[teestub]

I’m siding with the Scientific Method, of which criticism is the backbone. This is the SCIENCE thread, not the nice stories about stuff that didn’t happen thread.

[tomtom]

Indeed. It’s not a thread about CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!!!

Which is what keeps fake news/ conspiracy outlets going...

[Yossarian]

When I did undergraduate philosophy of science in the late 90s, Jacques Benveniste and the memory of water “experiments” were the main case study re scientific fraud and the breaking of the Mertonian norms. Incidentally, one of those norms - organised scepticism - clearly has some relevance in climbing, particularly when applied to Skye-based boulderers and Cambridge boxers going on soloing holidays in the Dolomites...

[DAVETHOMAS90]

I've posted the video and links because of the new research, and not the "controversy" surrounding previous stories.

Those posting to cite previous attacks, scepticism, challenges, "debunking" etc of previous experiments, aren't adding anything to the questions raised by new research.

That's something which I do find interesting, and think that others may too.

I also think that people may hold up "The Scientific Method" as some form of absolute and infallible process, a certain reference point. It isn't. More to the point, it's often held up as something more akin to religious dogma, to protect the established "Churches" of science, than to facilitate further enquiry and allow the sort of challenges to our complacent beliefs, that we should welcome.

Also, the debate about previous experiments was far from one sided.

I find it exciting when new questions are raised by research into old problems.

I'd suggest that if there is anything which is appropriate for the "Science" thread, then it's discursive argument rather than polarised posturing.

I think there are very few things which we can claim to know with sufficient certainty to proclaim "case closed".

What is true and what isn't true, what has happened and what hasn't happened, is something which is hopefully always open to debate.

Referencing climbing, the move to label different characters as "Heros" and "Villains", in my view does little more than to serve personal prejudice and conceit, than it does to illuminate some of the more human aspects of the motivation to climb, which is relevant to all of us.