[Drew]

It may be chuffing gear, but it's super sexy, and they look like they're gonna be good! DMM are producing a single stem, twin axle, double dyneema sling camming device, which they've named the Dragon.

[tobym]

Nice

[Will Hunt]

I would understand these better if you were to say why they were better than camalots or tech friends.

[Drew]

I would understand these better if you were to say why they were better than camalots or tech friends.

Same overall range, better camming angle, and lighter. Happy now?

[tobym]

I would understand these better if you were to say why they were better than camalots or tech friends.

Same overall range, better camming angle, and lighter. Happy now?

And Welsh 

[SA Chris]

better camming angle

Better as in wider range, or better as in better holding power?

[galpinos]

better camming angle

Better as in wider range, or better as in better holding power?

Holding power as far as I'm aware. I think the "optimum" for holding is 13.something and camalots are 14 degrees. The new dragons have the 13.something degree camming angle with the wide range of the camalot in a lighter weight package.

Sounds good.

[Drew]

better camming angle

Better as in wider range, or better as in better holding power?

Holding power as far as I'm aware. I think the "optimum" for holding is 13.something and camalots are 14 degrees. The new dragons have the 13.something degree camming angle with the wide range of the camalot in a lighter weight package.

Sounds good.

13.75 degrees, I believe Camalots are about 14.5 (I have heard they're not a constant camming angle,which would be weird if true)

[SA Chris]

13.75 is the same as WC Friends?

Would be wierd in Ripalots ^tm if cam angle wasn't constant.