No idea, probably not. They have been winning by-elections and the London mayor, but how can we tell. Polls (ironic, since I just posted one) don't seem to be very accurate these days.
But is he popular with the Labour electorate who aren't party members? Those people who turned to UKIP, who voted out, who feel they don't have a voice, the working class who've been left behind by New Labour and the Tories?(Genuine question, I don't know)
Do we really expect every politician to not have any skeletons in their closets? What about you lot? Are you all perfect people who have never done anything you're not proud of? Have you ever taken a flight to go on holiday to Kalymnos or wherever? Well thanks very much you complete fucking cum-filled cunt, you've contributed to global warming. Have you ever drunk bottled water? Thanks for wasting the planet's precious resources you fucking parasite. Have you ever associated with anybody, a family member or work colleage perhaps, whose views you didn't agree with, who might be slightly right-wing/homophobic/racist, but who you continue to be polite and friendly with because you know you can't change them and it's necessary to have an easy relationship with them? Die, you cunt. Just fucking do us all a favour and die.
Quote from: Will Hunt on July 20, 2016, 11:29:16 amDo we really expect every politician to not have any skeletons in their closets? What about you lot? Are you all perfect people who have never done anything you're not proud of? Have you ever taken a flight to go on holiday to Kalymnos or wherever? Well thanks very much you complete fucking cum-filled cunt, you've contributed to global warming. Have you ever drunk bottled water? Thanks for wasting the planet's precious resources you fucking parasite. Have you ever associated with anybody, a family member or work colleage perhaps, whose views you didn't agree with, who might be slightly right-wing/homophobic/racist, but who you continue to be polite and friendly with because you know you can't change them and it's necessary to have an easy relationship with them? Die, you cunt. Just fucking do us all a favour and die.is the warm weather, and the awful grit connies, getting to you too?
Not a personal dig at yourself tomtom, just that you were the one person I could recall having written that.But to write a party off because someone didn't have the grace to apologise/say sorry is in my view a bit extreme.
Labour won a landslide in 1997 with PR in the manifesto and then chickened out.
So we all hate FPTP. How do we get PR - so we can have multiple flavours of leftie? (And I might vote Green or whatever, albeit the eventual government would end up a similar coalition compromise as it's euro counterparts which is why PR is unpopular with many on the left. But not me?)At risk of saying you can't get there from here, it's highly unlikely to happen in a FPTP system with an eternally split opposition.
I can see Plaid Cymru and Scot Nats not standing against each other but that's about it.
Splitting labour keeps Tories in. Imperfect broad church labour is preferable to Tories, as well as being the only route to or if elected in coalition. So don't split the party. corbyn can't lead a united party (demonstrably, never mind 'shoulds'), so return him to the back benches or give him some figurehead role. The end.
The Labour Party does not belong to the Unions, the Members or the affiliates, they are just custodians for a movement who's sole purpose is to make better the lives of the poor, disposed etc. The most important people probably barely know who Jeremy Corbyn is and it makes no odds to them whether the affiliate fee is £3 or £25 as they won't be joining regardless, however it is them that should be shaping the Labour Party as they need a party in power (or at least a strong opposition) far more than the Labour Party needs unwavering ideals. When Kier Hardy started the Labour Party I'm pretty sure he wasn't thinking 'If I don't get exactly what I want then fuck it, I'll sit here with my ideals and hope I get elected anyway' and nor should today's Labour Party. To be in any way effective the Labour Party needs to get elected by whatever means possible and to enact whatever policies it practically can. Common sense tells us this will be a watered down version of the ideal but it needs to engage in realpolitik. If people want to posture like a bunch of sixth former socialists then they should fuck off to the SWP, it's what it was invented for isn't it?It doesn't matter that JC is a good and principled man, there are fucking millions of them, what we need is someone credible. This is the most unprincipled, amoral govt. we've had since the 19th century and JC has not landed a glove on them. It's no good whinging on about the media being unfair etc., it was ever thus from Foot's donkey jacket through the Welsh Windbag and on to Ed's bacon sandwich, once a narrative has been created around someone it's impossible to reverse and JC has long since passed that point, he doesn't seem credible so it's time for someone else to try. It might not be successful but we won't get anywhere with JC. Much as we might wish it otherwise politics is all about personality and charisma (q.v. the rise of Donald Trump, and the Brexit campaign) and JC has neither. I'm not saying anyone else does either but we are right up a creek and Owen Smith is the only vaguely paddle shaped thing around.
