[joeb]

Looking to buy a protein supplement or all in one to complement my diet. Training 3 times a week with a physical job is catching up on me, I struggle to get enough protein in my diet and am noticing my recovery time is not as good. (not feeling fresh with reasnoble lay offs) This all combined with a new baby and sleep deprevation means i'm after any ergonomic aid i can legally lay my hands on.
Thanks

[Houdini]

Well, ah, I'm not normaly one to offer...  But if you could just throw your head back and be very sexy for me I'll do my best.   

[joeb]

Theres always a comedian, i'm sure the third reich wasn't known for it's humour though.

[Adam Lincoln]

I am sure a few may disagree but i find the body fortress whey protein from Holland and Barrett more than sufficient. On sale at moment too.

[Eddies]

I am sure a few may disagree but i find the body fortress whey protein from Holland and Barrett more than sufficient. On sale at moment too.

2for1 at the mo i think, thats quite a good deal.
Or theres this: http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/protein-powders/impact-whey-protein/

[Mr Cat]

yeah, I use this - http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/protein-powders/acid-whey-protein/

nice with some water and juice...

[205Chris]

Anyone got any recommendations on how much / when to take it? i.e. do you just use it after training or as a daily thing to get more protein in your diet?

[joswald]

I 3rd Myprotein.co.uk

[Richie Crouch]

I use Maximuscle Promax strawberry flavour and it seems to be great so far. I've certainly noticed the benefits of proper recovery after training or climbing (I only use it after the aforementioned activities and usually eat a lot of protein in my daily diet like eggs, tuna, nuts, cheese..etc)

There are obviously cheaper alternatives and I may have a look into myprotein after I get through this current huge tub unless they have a sale! 

[Adam Lincoln]

I use Maximuscle Promax

Have you ever used another brand? Wondering how much of the Maximuscle hype is to be believed! And if its worth the extra cost...

[Richie Crouch]

I'm keen to try out a similar item from myprotein and compare in a couple of months time I think!

Matty D (he of the steel fingers) recommended the promax to me, so I gave it a shot and have made an effort to put it into the routine along with running around, starjumps and theraband before the crush!

[Monolith]

I'm going to have to get involved with this cheat powder you speak of Crouch. Even though it has the chalky taste and consistency of tit milk, it has to be better than enduring rigor mortis for some days after.

[joeb]

Some good replies there, thanks. The price of my protein and it's simple ingredients sound good will give this a go. I have tried maximuscle both promax, creatamax and cyclone and found them to be no better than any other brand around. I did like the SiS rego but feered it had too little protein and designed towards endurance events. Has anyone used any phD products ? Speaking to a buddy of mine who rides bike time trials who endorses it but the cost is putting me off.

[Mr Cat]

yeah, I find the my protein a bit hard tpo mix at times - a blender works (but a lot gets wasted up the side if I'm only doing a single portion), otherwise i use a handblender in a glass which makes it real smooth....

I tried shaking it in a plastic container first off - but it came out all lumpy...

[BB]

Does it really matter which whey protein supplement you go for? Is there really that much difference between them or is it all just down to what mixes best, what tastes the best and what's the most cost effective?

On the subject of cost. If you take out a GNC goldcard at one of their stores for £9.99 per year, you get 20% off all future purchases. I can't find any details online, but it's saved me quite a bit of money so far.

[Yossarian]

Some good replies there, thanks. The price of my protein and it's simple ingredients sound good will give this a go. I have tried maximuscle both promax, creatamax and cyclone and found them to be no better than any other brand around. I did like the SiS rego but feered it had too little protein and designed towards endurance events. Has anyone used any phD products ? Speaking to a buddy of mine who rides bike time trials who endorses it but the cost is putting me off.

I wouldn't use the SIS Rego after non endurance training.  I use it after biking and it seems to work very well for that.

I use(d) the SIS Build in my transformation from 7 stone weakling to 16 stone bone crusher.  It didn't make me climb any better, but I did find myself splitting my shirts on a regular basis.

Maximuscle is a bit over-hyped I reckon, but it does taste nicer. 

[Paul B]

I use Maximuscle Promax

Have you ever used another brand? Wondering how much of the Maximuscle hype is to be believed! And if its worth the extra cost...

lets not go over this yet again, there is no f'in difference, look down the ingredients list then look at quality checks on MP. The only reason to buy MM is that the taste is better. I'm not going to bang on about MP but its safe to say if you're buying MM you're just throwing cash away IMO. I've reasoned this with many people and yet still I see them with their expensive tubs.

[Jaspersharpe]

You've had to repost the same thing nearly as many times as slackers has directed people to the "How To Add Photos" thread.

 

Paul ---> 

[Eddies]

  Paul B.
But for whats its worth MP do a mix with creatine and some other shit 'Hurricane XS' its called I think, this mixes OK but some creatine crystals still remain.
I now just use the MP choc whey powder straight after a workout and it does the trick, tastes better than any other shake ive had, mixes well in a shaker and is cheaper than the rest. Nuff Said

[joeb]

Just had a chance to look at the my protein site and things look good, the only thing i would be nervous off is the milk content as i suffer migraines and have tiny amounts of any dairy product in my diet. Thanks for all the input.

[account_inactive]

HB protein is pretty low quality.

MP stuff is as good at MM, but tastes like shit especially if you mix it with water.  I'd rather pay more money and use it rather than have stuff sitting on the shelf.

[hairich]

i still think human growth hormone is better. a little harder to get hold of tho

[hairich]

before anyone passes out ,that was a joke

[mrjonathanr]

I am sure a few may disagree but i find the body fortress whey protein from Holland and Barrett more than sufficient. On sale at moment too.

Agreed

[Paul B]

HB protein is pretty low quality.

MP stuff is as good at MM, but tastes like shit especially if you mix it with water.  I'd rather pay more money and use it rather than have stuff sitting on the shelf.

you p*ssy. I've only stopped using the rasberry whey as after 5kg 'rasberry' derived from sweet cheese, is a bit nasty. I can't believe you're willing to spend that much /kg for just enhanced taste. James, is using acid whey and a whole lot of other nasty tasting ingredients from MP and he's managed to make a pretty palatable drink using soya milk with it...

[Bubba]

i still think human growth hormone is better. a little harder to get hold of tho

Seems pretty easy to buy online.

[account_inactive]

HB protein is pretty low quality.

MP stuff is as good at MM, but tastes like shit especially if you mix it with water.  I'd rather pay more money and use it rather than have stuff sitting on the shelf.

you p*ssy. I've only stopped using the rasberry whey as after 5kg 'rasberry' derived from sweet cheese, is a bit nasty. I can't believe you're willing to spend that much /kg for just enhanced taste. James, is using acid whey and a whole lot of other nasty tasting ingredients from MP and he's managed to make a pretty palatable drink using soya milk with it...

I'd also rather pay more money for a good bottle of wine rather than a can of special brew

[Mr Cat]

how often do you lot take your protein? - daily..? or just when you actually train..?

I currently take it 2-3 times daily, but boulder 3 times a week and I'm wondering if my protein intake is overkill?

[joeb]

Sounds a bit much but if it works crack on. I used to take mine post training only and just seemed to allow me to either squeeze in an extra session a week or feel refreshed quicker. Might be placebo but i'll take it.

[jay1lk]

when they are back in stock maybe try this http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/product.php/245/18/calcium_caseinate__instantised_

[Monolith]

Not sifted through the whole thread but Holland and Barrett have an offer on with their Whey Protein. I bought a tub yesterday, caned the guru's workout hard, lifted breeze blocks and shovelled sand all day and I don't even have a twinge. Fine stuff by me.

Check it here.

P.S. In store the offer was on all flavours. I bought Banana as the shop assistant told me it's their biggest seller. Tastes amazing with 125ml of skimmed milk.

[a dense loner]

just remember that paul weighs 9 stone and monolith is not much bigger. if i were them i'd save some cash and just eat half a tin of tuna. the larger discerning gentleman can't go far wrong with cyclone

special brew gives the same effect as peroni. a pint of peroni please my good man. thats £3.20 sir. gosh thats expensive. yes, we have special brew on offer for £1. thank you, i'll have that peroni please

[marty]

just remember that paul weighs 9 stone and monolith is not much bigger. if i were them i'd save some cash and just eat half a tin of tuna. the larger discerning gentleman can't go far wrong with cyclone

 
Agree with the cyclone  - taken pre-workout always gives me a noticeable boost ... but it does taste like shit whether mixed with water or milk.

[Monolith]

special brew gives the same effect as peroni. a pint of peroni please my good man. thats £3.20 sir. gosh thats expensive. yes, we have special brew on offer for £1. thank you, i'll have that peroni please

Lee, are you comparing Special Brew to Holland and Barrett's Body Fortress line?

 

[Richie Crouch]

Haha I love your observations Lee

I am currently working my way through a new brand to compare with Maximuscle Promax that I used and so far am quite impressed. It seems to be fixing me up a lot sooner and have even managed to gain maybe a kilo of burl in the last month 

The new one is by Reflex Protein called 'One Stop' and is probably more comparable to Cyclone than Promax as it contains some creatine and is advisable before and after sessions..etc The additional daily recommended of Vitamins A->D is also involved so no need for vitamin tablets not that I ever bothered anyway 

[Monolith]

Wait til he sees your gunshow when we get t'Peak Crouch. He'll be buying 'One Stop' out of stock.

[BenF]

The new one is by Reflex Protein called 'One Stop'

Following on from our conversation in the car on Saturday... that's the one we've got too.  I couldn't remember so I looked at the label when I got in.  However, I didn't have any at the weekend but ate tuna instead.  It was nicer with pasta.

[Andy F]

What's wrong with a nice grilled tuna steak 

[BB]

What's wrong with a nice grilled tuna steak 

A tuna steak before and after sessions 6 days a week? I'm no maths genius, but I'm prepared to wager money that this approach would make cyclone look like Dylan's special brew in a cost comparison.

[Monolith]

So far so good on the Holland And Barrett stuff. No soreness despite a period of intense exertion.

[Richie Crouch]

I didn't know that social networking and 1 day outside puntering on a 1 move 7a counted as physical exertion Tom? 

[Monolith]

Hang on a second Richie "Two Jobs" Crouch... I'm referring to a working day that burns about as many calories in a day as you do in a fortnight and clocking more hours in a day than you do in the working year! Come back when you can do owt on the beastmaker because that's what counts in life.

[BenF]

Tom, don't take that shit off that ginger twat; I was well impressed that you'd done a boulder problem.  Let me know next year when you do another and I'll film it.

Rich I cannot believe that you tried to give someone shit given your workshy foppish lifestyle.  Oh hang on a minute it was Tom "cafe culture" Mills.

[Richie Crouch]

Keep hanging those bits of wood in the hope it will one day propel you to the giddy heights of becoming Merseyside's answer to Dense... although your ability with heels makes Lee appear like Le Menestral.

I'm sure you will become adept no longer at just crimp crimp top but a master of slope slope top 

[psychomansam]

I don't take protein supplements and am opposed to everything they represent... hehe... ...but i have been tempted too when training hard and struggling to recover - especially when struggling to afford meat.

As has already been mentioned, you're often just as well off getting your protein from natural foods, especially if you're smaller. Getting through masses of the stuff is indeed overkill, will likely be far more protein than your body needs, and it will simply be turned into energy - i.e. burnt off immediately or stored as fat.

The best thing about protein supplements is convenience. WHEN you take on protein is very important for efficiency and speed of recovery. The best time to consume your protein will in fact be IMMEDIATELY BEFORE exercise, certainly for shorter sessions. IMMEDIATELY AFTER exercise is the 2nd best time for your protein intake.

Taking on protein in these time frames will improve recovery speed, and you should also bear in mind that the same can be said for eating IMMEDIATELY (not an hour) after exercise in general.

Oh, and less beer and more sleep....

...Feck it then!

 

[BenF]

I'm sure you will become adept no longer at just crimp crimp top but a master of slope slope top 

More probably just "slope slope".

[Monolith]

Ordinarily I would give a fuck about veering off topic but today I don't. Considering that you're a professional non professional climber I would hope that you'd be burning an ecstasy addict (yes it can be an addiction if you want it to be) into this side of next wednesday on those slopes. And as for bringing Lee's name anywhere near mine, I think we would each feel a state of mutual abhorrence.

[a dense loner]

hear, hear

[Monolith]

I don't take protein supplements and am opposed to everything they represent

Like the ability to recover and train without feeling like a raped corpse?

[abarro81]

Any opinions on protein vs 'recovery' (2:1 ish carb:protein) products for after both bouldering and circuits sessions? I usually use recovery stuff, but since it's almost exactly the same content as most weight gain products I've begun to wonder if this is a mistake on the long road to power/fitness/beastliness?

[webbo]

isn't the recovery stuff designed more for aerobic athletes i.e. runners/cyclists where a workout is gonna burn off a couple of thousand cals rather a climbing/weight session which might hurt your arms but probably doesn't use that many cals.
i've got a heart rate monitor which has a calories used function which is based age,max heart rate,sex and weight.so its a rough guide.when i've worn doing weights it shows i burn off very little as your heart rate doesn't go that high and it peaks and drops quickly when resting.
cycling will burn off between 450 and 650 an hour depending on the effort put in.
so you need to replace the glycogen in your liver to recover hence the carbs.

[Fultonius]

I don't fancy whey protein as I don't react too well to milk products. Anyone used the Pea Protein from myprotein, or any of the other non-whey proteins for that matter?

[Richie Crouch]

My mate Owen was using the Pea Protein and has swapped back to promax, as the pea protein tasted utterly foul apparently!

[JonI]

I've found soy protein mixed with sweetened soy milk to be a pretty palatable alternative to milk and whey, worth trying if you're lactose intolerant.