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climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 09:28:38 am
Hi how often do you guys climb a week, and if you climb more than once a week how long did it take to build up to this and do you train in other ways like gym running cycling ect.?

Dan  :)

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#1 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 10:36:21 am
I used to climb about 5-6 times a week and got injured a lot but seemed to improve quite fast, then cut it down to a more reasonable 3-4 sessions and found I had less tweaks and got stronger as I was recovering more after sessions. Try to now climb outdoors on a weekend day and train Tues & Thurs. The benefits of quality rest days inbetween sessions are huge!  :thumbsup:

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#2 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 11:04:50 am
well, I've just started about 3 weeks ago (tho, had last week off due to having a cold) and I'm currently aiming for 3 times a week (mon, wed and fri) for about an hour per session...tho, I'm still a bit sore from last night.. :D

tho, I'm not sure if this is overkill for a beginner....seems that last weeks rest did a bit of good too...I'll just have to see how it pans out...

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#3 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 11:05:02 am
how about when you 1st strated climbing ?

at the moment i climb every friday indoors but and am battling bad elbows and a crunchy shoulder caused by gym and being a roofer which get sore a lot though ive been doing tendon exercizes and coldwater treatment on my arms  which seem to be helping.

but couldnt up the amount of climbing i do at the moment, though ive only been climbing 5 weeks i have made vast progress but am not pushing it to the limit, well i do push it a bit lol gotta be done .

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#4 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 11:09:18 am
well, I've just started about 3 weeks ago (tho, had last week off due to having a cold) and I'm currently aiming for 3 times a week (mon, wed and fri) for about an hour per session...tho, I'm still a bit sore from last night.. :D

tho, I'm not sure if this is overkill for a beginner....seems that last weeks rest did a bit of good too...I'll just have to see how it pans out...

i dont know about your fitness strenght or job type (all factors which make a difference in tiredness ect) but from my past experience with fitness and exercize this does sound a bit intence but then ive buggered myself in the gym for years 4 nights a week pushing silly amounts of weight too quick for my tendons to strenhen but paying for it now  :'(  :lol:

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#5 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 11:16:10 am
i would love to climb mid week but if my elbows get really bad like the gym days again ill be pissed, and wont be climbing at all, i run twice a week and do my arm rehab type exercize, as well as some core strengh work along with press ups dips and pull ups during the week, im getting my strengh back and my arms arent getting too bad just a mild aching now and then, but hopefully ill be uping the frequency as time goes by body permitting  :)

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#6 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 03:06:24 pm
well, I've just started about 3 weeks ago (tho, had last week off due to having a cold) and I'm currently aiming for 3 times a week (mon, wed and fri) for about an hour per session...tho, I'm still a bit sore from last night.. :D

tho, I'm not sure if this is overkill for a beginner....seems that last weeks rest did a bit of good too...I'll just have to see how it pans out...

i dont know about your fitness strenght or job type (all factors which make a difference in tiredness ect) but from my past experience with fitness and exercize this does sound a bit intence but then ive buggered myself in the gym for years 4 nights a week pushing silly amounts of weight too quick for my tendons to strenhen but paying for it now  :'(  :lol:

yeah, I've got an office job - but I'm fairly fit... :)
what'#s the best supplements to take too?

I'm just going to have to suck it and see I guess... :)

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#7 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 03:40:17 pm
to be honest through my time at the gym ect i used to take protein, mass gain, and cyclone.

but since my break from the gym (permenant) ive just been feuling up with lucozade sport, and ive just started trying the powder which you add your own water to.

if you want to take a good suppliment then cyclone by maximuscle is awesome, it has a balance of protein carbs small amount of creatine  vits and nutes every thing for the requirements of strenuous sports its not cheap  but is very good.

ill be on it once i can spare the pennys for a tub 

http://www.maximuscle.com/cyclone?gclid=CJLQ0enx45gCFdCS3wodijIGdA

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#8 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 03:46:01 pm
I'm resisting going on a major supplementation rant, there's no magic 'good pill' Mr Cat i'm afraid and supplementation is at the end of the day fine tuning which will have little effect unless everything else is right.

Highonair: May I suggest you look at the ingredients on MM Cyclone, then take a look at some other suppliers (lower cost) and compare. You can get the same stuff for 12/kg.

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#9 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 03:48:07 pm
Dan,
I've been climbing about 18 years now, and my general rule of thumb is: Once a week - I improve very slightly (technique improves - strenth/endurance little) but no injury worries. Twice a week and I improve steadily - though can start to get some aches/pains that generally ease before the next time I go. THree times a week and I start to hurt and can begin to tweak muscles/tendons but can make significant improvements.
So I ALWAYS try and climb once a week, aim to to climb twice, and if theres one thing I'm really going for have a blast at more than twice for a week or two.
Remember that muscles improve rapidly, but tendons can take alot lot longer - especially when you just start...
Nothing blunts enthusiasm more than an untimely injury.. so take it steady.. that problem'll always be there another day!
enjoy.
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#10 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 03:54:34 pm
Dan,
I've been climbing about 18 years now, and my general rule of thumb is: Once a week - I improve very slightly (technique improves - strenth/endurance little) but no injury worries. Twice a week and I improve steadily - though can start to get some aches/pains that generally ease before the next time I go. THree times a week and I start to hurt and can begin to tweak muscles/tendons but can make significant improvements.
So I ALWAYS try and climb once a week, aim to to climb twice, and if theres one thing I'm really going for have a blast at more than twice for a week or two.
Remember that muscles improve rapidly, but tendons can take alot lot longer - especially when you just start...
Nothing blunts enthusiasm more than an untimely injury.. so take it steady.. that problem'll always be there another day!
enjoy.
T



cheers thats exactly what im doing  ;D im strong as fuck and am starting to find that extra strengh that dissapeared a bit when i laid of the gym but my tendons are not good but im working on it

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#11 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:01:17 pm
my cock up with the cyclone its good but not the one i was thinking of its the viper http://www.maximuscle.com/viper

and as far as using cheap suppliments go i wouldn do it the ingrediants cant be to the same standards you get what you pay for 90% of the time. ive used loads of different suppliments over the last 14 years and the cheap ones have allways played me up like wind heartburn ect.

they are by no means a magic pill lol and dont do the training for you but can help big time.

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#12 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:04:21 pm
and as far as using cheap suppliments go i wouldn do it the ingrediants cant be to the same standards

Myprotein provides independent lab tests as to the quality of their protein which PROVES its just as good as leading brands i'm not going to bang this drum any longer, join the ever increasing list of climbers to whom I've pointed this out , backed it up and yet they've carried on spending a fortune for a slightly smoother taste.

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#13 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:07:59 pm
so whats your protein ?  :)

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#14 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:10:32 pm
and as far as using cheap suppliments go i wouldn do it the ingrediants cant be to the same standards

Myprotein provides independent lab tests as to the quality of their protein which PROVES its just as good as leading brands i'm not going to bang this drum any longer, join the ever increasing list of climbers to whom I've pointed this out , backed it up and yet they've carried on spending a fortune for a slightly smoother taste.

This might be a dumbass question - but do these protein things actually help? I've never been near them and wondered what kind of difference they make? DO you only need to get that much extra protein if you are really working out/training hard?
Forgive my ignorance - I suspect theres a thread somewhere all about this...
T

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#15 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:15:53 pm
they do work and are very good for taking in protien ect if a) your not a big eater and b) if you need to take in a few more nutes than you already ahve in your diet.
the energy type ones are good and for me who gets dehidrated very easily finding water alone dont really hydrate me like i said lucosade sport is very good which is what im using at the mo but during the summer ill prob move on to the viper.

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#16 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:25:35 pm
When I started climbing in 1992 (gasp), I climbed 5 or more times per week.  I relied strongly on a dietary supplement of around 3410ml of fermented hops per day.

Now I am old and I boulder/train 3 to 4 times per week.  I try to have a day off before going outside as my recovery times have increased- could be due to my only having 568ml of supplement per day now.

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#17 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:27:49 pm
Forgive my ignorance - I suspect theres a thread somewhere all about this...
T

I'd do a search and have a read, its silly thrashing these things out repeatedly. There's a wealth of information already in the diet training and injuries sectios. More than enough for you to make your own mind up if they are appropriate for you. Be wary of off the cuff comments that are either for or against supplementation its a lot more complex than that.

I hope that myprotein thing was a joke highonair, I really do.

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#18 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:31:01 pm
When I started climbing in 1992 (gasp), I climbed 5 or more times per week.  I relied strongly on a dietary supplement of around 3410ml of fermented hops per day.

Now I am old and I boulder/train 3 to 4 times per week.  I try to have a day off before going outside as my recovery times have increased- could be due to my only having 568ml of supplement per day now.
:) Yes, back in the early 90's I used similar dietry suppliments, also combined with approximately 8th ounce of of dried leaves per week....


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#19 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:42:33 pm
When I started climbing in 1992 (gasp), I climbed 5 or more times per week.  I relied strongly on a dietary supplement of around 3410ml of fermented hops per day.

Now I am old and I boulder/train 3 to 4 times per week.  I try to have a day off before going outside as my recovery times have increased- could be due to my only having 568ml of supplement per day now.
:) Yes, back in the early 90's I used similar dietry suppliments, also combined with approximately 8th ounce of of dried leaves per week....



Tsktsk, you were diddled, should have used the flowers as opposed to the leaves  ;)

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#20 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 04:53:09 pm
Tsktsk, you were diddled, should have used the flowers as opposed to the leaves  ;)
Eh? Darjeeling flowers??  :shrug:

 ;)

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#21 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 05:03:08 pm
Forgive my ignorance - I suspect theres a thread somewhere all about this...
T

I'd do a search and have a read, its silly thrashing these things out repeatedly. There's a wealth of information already in the diet training and injuries sectios. More than enough for you to make your own mind up if they are appropriate for you. Be wary of off the cuff comments that are either for or against supplementation its a lot more complex than that.

I hope that myprotein thing was a joke highonair, I really do.

lmao no wasnt a joke fella, just googled it and of all the brands ive used that one is new on me, ill dig deeper  :)

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#22 Re: climbing frequency
February 17, 2009, 10:58:40 pm
I have found that if I train every 3rd day, so 2 rest days then a training day, I steadily improve and find it relativly easy to avoid injury.. I am rather busy and don't live near any actual rock so it is pretty easy to stick to this with out being distracted by, like, actual climbing.
When I started I climbed once a week (Scunthorpe Mountaineering Club nights at some leisure centre or other, WHOOP WHOOP). WHen ever I try to combine two training days and an actual climbing session on a weekend I have always got injured sooner or later.
Main thing is to enjoy climbing and not stress too much about getting better, it will happen anyway. And if in doubt, have a rest day or at least an easy day.

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#23 Re: climbing frequency
February 18, 2009, 03:01:52 pm
cheers for the effort guys, its good to see what others are doing.  :)

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#24 Re: climbing frequency
February 18, 2009, 05:47:46 pm
Play the long game and just enjoy the movement, the climbing. Forgive me, but it comes across like you wanna climb to get buff. If my elbows felt the way you describe I'd forget the wall and go swimming.

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#25 Re: climbing frequency
February 18, 2009, 08:03:59 pm
I started bouldering last week, only done two sessions so far but planning on twice a week. Only issue is, combined with the gym 3 times a week thats like 3 sessions of pulling and 1 session of pushing, can see my elbows flaring up really quickly.. they've already started twinging and feeling weak whilst doing chins/bench :(. What do you guys reckon, carry on at the same volume and power through untill my body adapts to the workload (what i want to do because i enjoy it so much), or cut back to just one session a week and take it slower and ease my self in?

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February 18, 2009, 09:41:36 pm
Play the long game and just enjoy the movement, the climbing. Forgive me, but it comes across like you wanna climb to get buff. If my elbows felt the way you describe I'd forget the wall and go swimming.

 :lol: i dont like to brag but im already plenty buff ;)ive a difficult job and was lifting big weight in the gym for years, im very extreme and passionate with the stuff i do, and i love climbing the movement is great my elbows can be painfull and throb if i do too much then ache in the joint for a week or longer if i cant let heal through work swinging a hammer all day and carrying gear up a ladder  dont help.  but climbing has not affected it as much as the gym did, so to explain i do two midweek circuits of press ups, dips, pull ups and core workout plus 2 runs (which dont hurt my arms unless they are bad) then on a friday i climb, now im finding it quite intence as i have had a fair bit of time off fitness 2 years to be precise due to my arms getting so bad, amazing how alcohol soothes the pain tho. :alky:

my  teenage days at the  gym i never looked after myself, didn stretch or warm up half as much as i should have but got that covered now icing my arms in icy cold water is magic something i never done but its great i do it everyday for between 30mins to an hour. i put deep heat on my arms before excersizing which helps the warm up and im stretching every spare moment ive got, ive wanted to climb all my life and never got round to it so dont wanna get injured and lose it, love it and aint even got outside yet BRING IT ON  :bounce:

Dan  :)

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#27 Re: climbing frequency
February 18, 2009, 09:48:41 pm
I started bouldering last week, only done two sessions so far but planning on twice a week. Only issue is, combined with the gym 3 times a week thats like 3 sessions of pulling and 1 session of pushing, can see my elbows flaring up really quickly.. they've already started twinging and feeling weak whilst doing chins/bench :(. What do you guys reckon, carry on at the same volume and power through untill my body adapts to the workload (what i want to do because i enjoy it so much), or cut back to just one session a week and take it slower and ease my self in?

that what i done when i was in the gym just kept going the muscle was growing the strengh was improving then the elbows started to go by the time i was benching over 100kg i was in real pain and a 8 rep set of 3 was doing me for the week plus roofing at work on top of it i built the weight up too quick and the tendons was left behind, it really does pay to bind the time and build up slowly, it is hard i know 1st hand im so pumped about doing stuff whatever it be gym running climbing that i forget to listen to my body, strength takes over then my elbows go.

just take your time and go easy...

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#28 Re: climbing frequency
February 19, 2009, 10:41:55 am
Hi guys, hope this helps. I started climbing again (mostly indoors, outside as and when) last january after about 15 years of climbing so little it might as well be nothing.
The first couple months I climbed once a week, then next twice a week then after about 6 months 3 times weekly. I've sustained this excepting about 3 months of injury, when returning I take it easy for about a month. Now I am injury prone, and 40, so my caution may not be necessary for everyone, but I'd strongly recommend building up slowly over months (not weeks).
If this seems like slow progress, try getting injured, having a lay off for a month  and rehabbing for a similar period : that's a good 2 months of 0% progress, well worth avoiding. And injuries can last ALOT longer than that, obviously.

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#29 Re: climbing frequency
March 11, 2009, 06:24:03 pm
Sound advise, going back to the thread ive started increasing the amount of training i do and still putting my elbows in ice cold water for half an hour every time they ache, and im pleased to say so far so good,they seem to be hurting less and less for the amount of strain i keep putting on them bearing in mind im trying things each week ive not done and is harder  ;D i got a hang board in the end and have been doing it assisted using a foot board ive made with very small holds with my feet which is against the wall the other side of the door (legs lenght away), so im in a over hang position with my legs out, and its great, no problems and my grip/hold strengh is improving at a rate of knotts,ive even been daring and started doing low amounts of pull ups  ;D

ive also gone from twelve and a half stone to just over eleven and a half so im sure this helps too, not been this light for about 12 years  :lol: :thumbsup:

 

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