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#2750 Re: NNFN!!!!
October 16, 2021, 11:50:49 am
First day of half term! Yay! It’s been intense.

And a positive LFT, waiting on the PCR now  :wall:

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#2751 Re: NNFN!!!!
October 16, 2021, 12:47:24 pm
First day of half term! Yay! It’s been intense.

And a positive LFT, waiting on the PCR now  :wall:

Schools seem to be a hotbed for transmission. Hope you're not badly affected.


My left eye has been getting increasingly blurry over the last 9 months. I can get by for everyday life but it has made it significantly harder to spot and judge footholds. Straight-up cracks are not so bad, traverses are a bit of a 'mare.

Finally saw an opthalomologist this morning who diagnosed 'macular puckering' and gave me a nice explanation with a scrunched up tissue standing in for my retina. It won't improve and may get worse. The only thing that might help is a vitrectomy  :sick:. This has a ~50% chance of success and significant (no numbers offered) chance of making things worse. I've asked to see a surgeon despite this. Anyone have a contact?

This is more or less what I was expecting to hear but still a bit frustrating. An opportunity to gracefully retire from harder trad. onsighting and embrace redpointing? 

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#2752 Re: NNFN!!!!
October 16, 2021, 01:08:10 pm
Sorry to hear that Duncan.

Time for some progression on gruelling offwidth cracks outdoors, and giant volume wrestling parkour problems indoors?

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#2753 Re: NNFN!!!!
October 16, 2021, 01:41:58 pm
Shame to hear that Duncan. I hope you find a solution that stabilises things. Whatever you do, don’t accept any of Fiend’s suggested offwidths, that never ends well.

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#2754 Re: NNFN!!!!
October 23, 2021, 09:33:27 am
That does sound shit Duncan. Hope you get some good news. Make my NNFN seem very tame in comparison. more of a no no meh no:



Did this last night, pinched between a heavy new door we had to buy for the flat (bloody building regs) and the carpet. Got a trip to Spain in 2 weeks (YYFY) but not sure if I should leave it, try to drain it, tape it.... I suspect all roads lead to suboptimal skin for the trip...  :wall:

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#2755 Re: NNFN!!!!
October 23, 2021, 09:57:27 am
Sterilised pin prick, drain, leave to heal with the top protecting it, sand and moisturise the hard surface. It's tiny and will be absolutely fine  ::) ::) ::)

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#2756 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 01, 2021, 02:35:08 pm
Just back from getting the results of my shoulder MRI... Turns out it's a complex SLAP tear (possibly 360 degrees!!)...

Consultant has recomended immediate surgery to reattach the tendons to the bone and was pretty amazed that I could even lift my arm, let alone climb!

Safe to say I'm absolutely gutted! Feel like I'm climbing pretty well, training is going well and most of all climbing is what's been keeping me sane through all this Covid business...

Recovery should be 3 weeks in a sling, no climbing for 3 months and 6 months before I can start training again...

 Arse! :wavecry:

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#2757 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 01, 2021, 02:49:14 pm
One armers?

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#2758 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 01, 2021, 07:32:50 pm
That sucks, good luck with it.

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#2759 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 01, 2021, 08:39:18 pm
Just back from getting the results of my shoulder MRI... Turns out it's a complex SLAP tear (possibly 360 degrees!!)...

Consultant has recomended immediate surgery to reattach the tendons to the bone and was pretty amazed that I could even lift my arm, let alone climb!

Safe to say I'm absolutely gutted! Feel like I'm climbing pretty well, training is going well and most of all climbing is what's been keeping me sane through all this Covid business...

Recovery should be 3 weeks in a sling, no climbing for 3 months and 6 months before I can start training again...

 Arse! :wavecry:

On the plus side, you've got good mobility and strength now, which bodes well for a quicker recovery. Look up hyperbaric oxygen treatment for the recovery. It's slowly nudging it's way from crank-witchdoctory to potentially useful treatment. Duncan is very into medical research, what's the current status of HBO?  I did it for my knee multi-ligament op recovery off the back of a paper showing brilliant improvement in healing times and strength in rabbit achilles tendons, which was enough evidence for me!  (also had easy access to one as my, since departed, dad got one built for MS and rheumatoid arthritis treatment.)   n=1 anecdote - I got my stitches out 2 days early and it was so well healed she asked how late I was for the appointment. Also got nearly full ROM back and have since climbed my hardest sport route, trad route and winter route, done 4 ski season and run a skyline race. It was my PLC, PFL and LCL that got replaced...

Double blind human study: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2019/6289380/

The rabbit one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jor.20360

Also CURES COVID WITHOUT VACCINES. (not really)

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#2760 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 01, 2021, 08:44:30 pm
Just back from getting the results of my shoulder MRI... Turns out it's a complex SLAP tear (possibly 360 degrees!!)...

Consultant has recomended immediate surgery to reattach the tendons to the bone and was pretty amazed that I could even lift my arm, let alone climb!

Safe to say I'm absolutely gutted! Feel like I'm climbing pretty well, training is going well and most of all climbing is what's been keeping me sane through all this Covid business...

Recovery should be 3 weeks in a sling, no climbing for 3 months and 6 months before I can start training again...

 Arse! :wavecry:

Bother.
That's a bit rubbish.

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#2761 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 11:43:58 am
Just back from getting the results of my shoulder MRI... Turns out it's a complex SLAP tear (possibly 360 degrees!!)...

Consultant has recomended immediate surgery to reattach the tendons to the bone and was pretty amazed that I could even lift my arm, let alone climb!

Safe to say I'm absolutely gutted! Feel like I'm climbing pretty well, training is going well and most of all climbing is what's been keeping me sane through all this Covid business...

Recovery should be 3 weeks in a sling, no climbing for 3 months and 6 months before I can start training again...

 Arse! :wavecry:

Oh no! Scary sounding scan results. Dare I ask, if you're climbing pretty well and the training is going well, then why the surgery?

Regarding hyperbaric oxygen, the research in people with poor tissue oxygen supply through poor circulation is very persuasive. I'd buy a kit for my mum if she had peripheral vascular disease and leg ulcers. The research in people with soft tissue injuries but healthy circulation, not so much. Would I use it after shoulder surgery? Probably not if I was paying for it myself. I might try it if I had easy access like Fultonius or was advising a premiership football team with an almost infinite budget.


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#2762 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 11:51:22 am
Regarding hyperbaric oxygen, the research in people with poor tissue oxygen supply through poor circulation is very persuasive. I'd buy a kit for my mum if she had peripheral vascular disease and leg ulcers. The research in people with soft tissue injuries but healthy circulation, not so much. Would I use it after shoulder surgery? Probably not if I was paying for it myself. I might try it if I had easy access like Fultonius or was advising a premiership football team with an almost infinite budget.
Hmmmmmmmm  :-\

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#2763 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 12:14:28 pm
Cheers guys...  :(

Not sure I can justify the cost of the hyperbaric therapy but would definitely give it a go if I had access...

Oh no! Scary sounding scan results. Dare I ask, if you're climbing pretty well and the training is going well, then why the surgery?

Yea, pretty scary... Diagnosis says "There is a very large SLAP tear" and a load of other stuff. The surgeon said if I don't have the surgery then it's basically a short route to arthritis and me not having use of my shoulder in future...

I'm definitely struggling with this for the exact reasons you say... I've had a word with Ozzy this morning and his estimation was that to not have the surgery is a risk, but the surgery is a risk... It's generally down to what risk I want to take??

There's a definite weakness in the shoulder and low level pain after climbing which could (???) be sorted with surgery and the surgeon's view that it's just going to get worse is weighing pretty heavily on my mind....

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#2764 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 12:19:48 pm
Was fully expecting to be lambasted for wasting NHS resources so didn't agree to anything there and then... Think I was actually in shock tbh... Going back next week to either say yay or nay to the surgery so just taking this time to weigh up the pros and cons and try and not resort to alcoholism or recreational drug addiction....

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#2765 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 12:21:21 pm
There’s a decent amount of info on SLAP tears and surgical outcomes on the interwebs now, a few trainingbeta podcasts cover options, from the surgical pov and physio pov. From memory of last time I trawled through the available info, there wasn’t much difference between surgical and physio outcomes. Surgeons are always going to recommend cutting you up, so may be worth having a good trawl of available info and getting a few opinions before going in.

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#2766 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 12:30:46 pm
There’s a decent amount of info on SLAP tears and surgical outcomes on the interwebs now, a few trainingbeta podcasts cover options, from the surgical pov and physio pov. From memory of last time I trawled through the available info, there wasn’t much difference between surgical and physio outcomes. Surgeons are always going to recommend cutting you up, so may be worth having a good trawl of available info and getting a few opinions before going in.

 :goodidea:

I'm not getting much work done right now, in between phoning previous physios, trawling the interweb, emailing specialists and posting on here... Got a week to make up my mind but could theoretically extend that...

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#2767 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 03:01:04 pm
Just back from getting the results of my shoulder MRI... Turns out it's a complex SLAP tear (possibly 360 degrees!!)...

Consultant has recomended immediate surgery to reattach the tendons to the bone and was pretty amazed that I could even lift my arm, let alone climb!

Safe to say I'm absolutely gutted! Feel like I'm climbing pretty well, training is going well and most of all climbing is what's been keeping me sane through all this Covid business...

Recovery should be 3 weeks in a sling, no climbing for 3 months and 6 months before I can start training again...

 Arse! :wavecry:

Oh no! Scary sounding scan results. Dare I ask, if you're climbing pretty well and the training is going well, then why the surgery?

Regarding hyperbaric oxygen, the research in people with poor tissue oxygen supply through poor circulation is very persuasive. I'd buy a kit for my mum if she had peripheral vascular disease and leg ulcers. The research in people with soft tissue injuries but healthy circulation, not so much. Would I use it after shoulder surgery? Probably not if I was paying for it myself. I might try it if I had easy access like Fultonius or was advising a premiership football team with an almost infinite budget.

My assumption was that a Slap tear like most ligamentous  structures were generally poorly vasculated, especially after injury / surgery so might benefit.

If you find a local MS therapy centre it's pretty cheap usually, £6-£15 a session. £600/session in US on private medical  :o

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#2768 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 06:56:42 pm
Well I can add myself to the NNFN list once more as I sprained my LCL at the wall yesterday and am now back to pretty much the same rehab protocol as my MCL last year. Given I've only recently got my head above water dealing with my golfer's elbow and general mindstate, no prizes for guessing how this feels.

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:-\ :-\ :-\ I'm the generally poorly vasculated poster boy and there's a reasonably priced HBOT facility near me.....  :-\

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#2769 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 11:11:11 pm
If it's any concession, I'm on a string of injuries too. Ankle was playing up before ultra, got that under control and now suffering with sore hip flexor ever since.

Running shown the back seat for a bit, and I promptly pull a muscle muscle in my sternum the fors time I pull hardish on anything remotely steep.

Going surfing tomorrow morning wish me luck...   

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#2770 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 02, 2021, 11:52:21 pm
Was at the doctor earlier today about my slightly painful / crunchy kneecap.

Might be arthritis.

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Arse.

Always knew it was a risk after my knee surgery, but it's gone so well I thought I might have dodged that bullet.

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#2771 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 03, 2021, 03:31:14 am
Was at the doctor earlier today about my slightly painful / crunchy kneecap.

Might be arthritis.

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Arse.

Always knew it was a risk after my knee surgery, but it's gone so well I thought I might have dodged that bullet.

That is a bum deal. Sorry to hear that Fultonius.

A friend of mine was given that diagnosis for his knee many years ago. It is painful, It is problematic, but he's still running half marathons. Various friends of mine - some hereabouts - with various bits missing/"fixed"/unfixable have different approaches to mobility. Loss/maintenance of associated musculature seems to have a considerable bearing on how well things fair. Good luck with keeping things mobile and functional.

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#2772 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 03, 2021, 12:00:46 pm
Was at the doctor earlier today about my slightly painful / crunchy kneecap.
Sorry to hear about that, as well about DD's SLAP tear.
I can contribute to the former, knees wise.
I've had three surgeries: 2014 left knee, meniscus and cartilages; 2019 right knee, meniscus and cartilages; 2020 right knee, meniscus and cartilages again.
I have a broken ACL in my right knee and I don't have any ACL in my left knee (shredded over time and disappeared in bits that were vacuumed during surgery). I have broken external ligaments in both ankles, which contributes to the problems.
I also have a grade 3 chondropathy.
Having said that, this is what I can and cannot do.
Uphill sprints, yes, with caution.
Regular jogging or running, hell no. Last time I limped for two weeks.
Pushing, yes.
Pulling, better not (see heel hooks and pulling yourself under a hold).
Hyperflexion, hell no.
Hyperextention, hell no.
Jumps, are you kidding.
Rope skipping, yes.
DL, luckily yes.
Farmer's, yes.
Clean, yes but with caution to avoid hyperextention.
Cycling (not that I intend to), better not.
Climbing wise, bouldering falls and bouldering in general are a risk, I only climb on my board, no heel hooks (need I say heel hooks on boards are the source of all evil?), no drop knees (ut supra), no aggressive pulling with high feet. Just the good old face-on climbing. Staying put feet on with slightly bent knees is ok (board is 53° overhanging).
Sport climbing would probably be the best climbing option but I can't see that happen.
HTH.

And good luck to all the broken ones out there.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2021, 12:15:38 pm by Nibile »

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#2773 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 03, 2021, 12:41:14 pm
Was at the doctor earlier today about my slightly painful / crunchy kneecap.

Might be arthritis.


Might be? Need confirmation, and there are meds and diet that can help.

FWIW, my right knee has been "crackly" since age 19 (blame running about and stomping in army boots) and it put me off doing any running for 20 years for fear of making it worse, but it's not progressed in spite of running circa 500km a year for the last 5 or so years.

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#2774 Re: NNFN!!!!
December 03, 2021, 03:13:42 pm
Yeah, need the follow ups etc. It came on fairly quickly. Mainly hurts around 90degrees if bend, feels like under the kneecap and it's just a bit uncomfortable. Not been running much, so if anything it was maybe getting back into deadlifts. Was hoping it would just clam down and go-away.

We'll see. At least the knee is otherwise functional and stable.

 

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