[Sloper]

Well as a non practising jewish athiest even when asked for religion when in Hospital I still say 'none'.

Personally I think religion is a bit like homosexuality, I'm not bothered about what you do in your spare time just please don't expect me to be interested in hearing about it. (Ps this isn't to suggest that homosexuals go about trying to convert people, so actually I'm very much more welcoming to gay people than overtly religious folk)

[Andy F]

I, (like everyone else so far) hit number 4. That's because I'm not a) J. Moffatt or b) J. Gaskins.

[robertostallioni]

Personally I think religion is a bit like homosexuality, I'm not bothered about what you do in your spare time just please don't expect me to be interested in hearing about it

Class. My dad came out with a similar quote at the dinner table a couple of weeks ago. I nearly sprayed mother dear with a mouthful of yorkshire.

Re. homosexuality (after discussing religion)

" I'm not bothered about what they do in their spare time, you just don't want it ramming down your throat."

[GCW]

My dad came out at the dinner table a couple of weeks ago. I nearly sprayed mother dear with a mouthful of yorkshire.

Not surprised, not what you'd expect your dad to say at tea-time.

[andy popp]

Well as a non practising jewish athiest even when asked for religion when in Hospital I still say 'none'.

Which bit have you stopped practising; the Judaism or the atheism or both?

[robertostallioni]

My dad came at the dinner table a couple of weeks ago and nearly sprayed mother dear with a mouthful.(in Yorkshire)

Not surprised, not what you'd expect your dad to say at tea-time.

Indeed

[Drew]

I must admit, I'm pretty surprised there are so few religious people posting on here. I've met a lot of spiritual people through climbing. I find it's not uncommon to find someone practicing well established religions like Christianity, or Judaism, however I'd say I know more people who follow what I'd class as World religions (i.e Mother Earth stuff).

[Graeme78]

Well as a non practising jewish athiest even when asked for religion when in Hospital I still say 'none'.

Personally I think religion is a bit like homosexuality, I'm not bothered about what you do in your spare time just please don't expect me to be interested in hearing about it. (Ps this isn't to suggest that homosexuals go about trying to convert people, so actually I'm very much more welcoming to gay people than overtly religious folk)

I find this a little bit offensive. You immediately judge someone on what they believe in.
I admit there are a great number of religious people out there who aren't particularly christian, but there are also those who do make a very good attempt to follow what they're taught.
A true christian in the modern context, or the way I was brought up to believe in it, is that you accept people for who or what they are, and you judge people on their actions and behaviour towards others. Not who went to church/synagogue/mosque etc the most and who can remember the most scripture, there are an awful lot of people out there who become so dogmatic in their belief and the rights and wrongs of what's written in scripture they forget what they actually believe and go down the do as I say not as I do.
And no I'm not so naive as to believe all in the church are innocent because there are probably just as many homosexual bishops as there are ones with children and celibate ones!
Can we please try and differentiate between the two.

[webbo]

Well as a non practising jewish athiest even when asked for religion when in Hospital I still say 'none'.

Personally I think religion is a bit like homosexuality, I'm not bothered about what you do in your spare time just please don't expect me to be interested in hearing about it. (Ps this isn't to suggest that homosexuals go about trying to convert people, so actually I'm very much more welcoming to gay people than overtly religious folk)

i find just a touch hippocritical from someone who every other day is trying to convert us all to bastard religion of conservatism.

[slackline]

Well as a non practising jewish athiest even when asked for religion when in Hospital I still say 'none'.

Personally I think religion is a bit like homosexuality, I'm not bothered about what you do in your spare time just please don't expect me to be interested in hearing about it. (Ps this isn't to suggest that homosexuals go about trying to convert people, so actually I'm very much more welcoming to gay people than overtly religious folk)

I find this a little bit offensive. You immediately judge someone on what they believe in.
I admit there are a great number of religious people out there who aren't particularly christian, but there are also those who do make a very good attempt to follow what they're taught.
A true christian in the modern context....

Eh?  Where does Sloper say that he's judging anyone, and where did you get the christinaity bone that you're running with?  All he said was that he didn't like others belief's rammed down his throat, which you've agreed some people do

[Graeme78]

Eh?  Where does Sloper say that he's judging anyone, and where did you get the christinaity bone that you're running with?  All he said was that he didn't like others belief's rammed down his throat, which you've agreed some people do

It's the immediate assupmtion that someone with a religous belief would want to force it on someone else.
Sorry that's just the way I read it. I'm probably just a bit over-sensitive.

[The Sausage]

Hold on. One of the basic tenets of any judaeo-christian belief system is that non-believers will BURN IN HELL for ETERNITY. I find that somewhat offensive: that because i don't subscribe to your particular brand of nonsense, I am damned.

I read a Jon Krakauer book on the mormon church. There is a very interesting chapter about what defines the difference between reveltion and delusion - basically, the number of people that believe you. If millions of people believe you, it's a certified religion. If only a handful do, you're a deluded nut.

[Richie Crouch]

That's how it sounded to me too Graeme but gave benefit of the doubt.

I have beliefs but don't feel the need to press them upon others! I take people as they come and how they act as opposed to any sets of beliefs they have.

[Fiend]

Devoted agnostic.

Used to be militant aethiest, but these days I find anti-the-possibility-of-god-and-religion fantatics just as tedious and narrow-minded as religious ones. I still don't support conventional organised religion, but don't believe - due to mankind's proven ignorance - that the principle can be conclusively dismissed.

[DubDom]

this is like something you'd read on a UKC forum

[Graeme78]

To be honest what's funnier is I proved the point so perfectly 

[slackline]

It's the immediate assupmtion that someone with a religous belief would want to force it on someone else.
Sorry that's just the way I read it. I'm probably just a bit over-sensitive.

That must be occluded somewhere between the lines, as its not what I read.

[magpie]

I must admit, I'm pretty surprised there are so few religious people posting on here. I've met a lot of spiritual people through climbing.

I think spiritual and religious are two different things though, aren't they?  It's best not to ask me to expand on what I mean by this cause I don't think I can.  ???

I don't like any of the poll options. [/awkward]

[Joepicalli]

My dad came out at the dinner table a couple of weeks ago. I nearly sprayed mother dear with a mouthful of yorkshire.

Not surprised, not what you'd expect your dad to say at tea-time.

Maybe in your family; seems good table talk where I come from.

[dave]

thank god i'm an athiest.

[marty]

Please can we update the poll to include Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monstor (FSM)

http://www.venganza.org

[Joepicalli]

We're climbers, sometimes it gets hairy, what ever internal dialogue gets you through a potential deckout is all good.
However I don't know anyone who soloed for god.
Could be a good selling point for your religion on this site though.
I myself will sign up to belief in the first god that lets me do highball 9b+ font tomorrow... above a back breaking landing, without mats.

[marty]

 
I can be converted to!

[Joepicalli]

Please can we update the poll to include Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monstor (FSM)

http://www.venganza.org

Flying Spaghetti Monster be thy name ... the tattoo, the shadow over the forest......(entire thread continued on UKC)

[Fiend]

this is like something you'd read on a UKC forum

Unfortunately it is a bit, although curiously enough, not due to the OP (incidentally, Sloper, YHM). A pity as an exploration of religion - particularly within climbing and it's community, done with the general higher calibre of debate and tolerance on here, could be good.