[TomP]

I thought this was going to be done in the "ground-up highball boulder problem" style soon, after all that attention recently. Was going to have look myself when I manage to leave Yorkshire and feel brave. I actually thought it would be Ned and/or Dan as they seem to like that method. This news looks and sounds totally feasible to me and if the kid has flashed 8a then flashing higball 7b or 7b+ would be easy. In fact I'm sure there are quite a few people who are capable. People flash that grade regularly.

I'm not entirely sure why there seems to be such controvery and doubt over this guys ascents. Surely someone knows him or has seen that he is pretty good. He'll probably pretty disallusioned with all the negitive feedback from what is supposed to be a community which encourages young talent. I really hope there's no danger of alienating him and not hearing about impressive climbing. That would be a real shame.

With regards to the site. It sounds like Scott is just going out climbing and people are taking note and reporting about him. He himself hasn't reported to a website saying "I did this or that" (I think). It's not proof but suggests that people have seen him or have total faith in his ability.

[dobbin]

I agree that regards whether or not scott flashed the promise, or his other notable ascents - the relevant details are who was there, and photographic or video evidence etc, but its hard to ignore the apparently consistent disparity between his indoor performance and his outdoor claims, especially compared to the backdrop of knowing how long it took others to do things he claimed to have done in a  session when these 'others' are seen climbing well indoors.

[dave]

I find it remarkable that anyone thinks this is highballable without some serious specialist matting, ladders etc - the fall off the crux would take you unto unmattable no-mans land, and not to forgot the massive block in the rest of the landing. plus theres gear which although prone to being kicked out, has held a few falls so must be worth placing (unless all that falling of has ruined the placement or something).

[Bonjoy]

I find it remarkable that anyone thinks this is highballable without some serious specialist matting, ladders etc - the fall off the crux would take you unto unmattable no-mans land, and not to forgot the massive block in the rest of the landing. plus theres gear which although prone to being kicked out, has held a few falls so must be worth placing (unless all that falling of has ruined the placement or something).

My thoughts exactly. Even more remarkable when you consider that Ned and Dan didn't manage to highball the route above a hefty amount of padding when they tried a few weeks back. Ned mentioned that the likely fall from the crux would have been back first and hard to land safely due to the high left heel.

[TomP]

I find it remarkable that anyone thinks this is highballable without some serious specialist matting, ladders etc - the fall off the crux would take you unto unmattable no-mans land, and not to forgot the massive block in the rest of the landing. plus theres gear which although prone to being kicked out, has held a few falls so must be worth placing (unless all that falling of has ruined the placement or something).

My thoughts exactly. Even more remarkable when you consider that Ned and Dan didn't manage to highball the route above a hefty amount of padding when they tried a few weeks back. Ned mentioned that the likely fall from the crux would have been back first and hard to land safely due to the high left heel.

Ok fair dos. I have only seen the route once and not properly looked at it. It's been years since I climbed in the peak. In fact I think it was when James was working it ages ago. I just thought and heard from another climber that this method may be possible, although obviously risky.

[Jim]

Due to the reasons given many times in this thead and the others about scott, there is no way his acsents can be taken seriously.
This isn't news, its bullshit

[north_country_boy]

My thoughts exactly. Even more remarkable when you consider that Ned and Dan didn't manage to highball the route above a hefty amount of padding when they tried a few weeks back. Ned mentioned that the likely fall from the crux would have been back first and hard to land safely due to the high left heel.
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I was also aware of this information Bonjoy, and is another reason why I am sceptical!

the fall off the crux would take you unto unmattable no-mans land, and not to forgot the massive block in the rest of the landing. plus theres gear which although prone to being kicked out, has held a few falls so must be worth placing (unless all that falling of has ruined the placement or something).

Agreed, it just isn't worth soloing it when the gear is there, and has been tested repeatedly.

Due to the reasons given many times in this thead and the others about scott, there is no way his acsents can be taken seriously.
This isn't news, its bullshit

It is becoming Tiresome.......even Si O'conner's initial claims weren't met with such scepticism...

[Jim]

st least si O' gave us some amazingly laughable photo's to keep ourselves amused with

[Bonjoy]

After the Joker/Ace ascents without substantiation there was a heavy onus on Scott to have credible backup for future ascents. He can hardly be unaware of this after the previous claims and the subsequent reaction. Neither can he claim to not be publicizing ascents as everything since has rapidly become common knowledge somehow, probably thanks to the 8a.nu scorecard. As pointed out weeks ago, the more that is claimed without back-up and the bigger the claims, the less people will give him the benefit of the doubt. For what it's worth, if no back-up turns up for this latest ascent my dis-belief will be firmly unsuspended.

[slackline]

Well Liam Copley the author of the article Adam has linked, is registered and occasionally posts in these forums.  Perhaps he has the evidence that is required to substantiate his report (assuming they are one and the same)

[JohnH]

   Amazing effort  ,maybe it's just me but the way I see it is that the truth will out in the end anyway, so there's no point being overly sceptical or negative.

[Jim]

That makes no sence

[GCW]

[Bonjoy]

  Amazing effort  ,maybe it's just me but the way I see it is that the truth will out in the end anyway, so there's no point being overly sceptical or negative.

History suggest that the truth won't 'out', it never does. Please enlighten me with an example of a contested ascent which has been proved one way or another.
What does happen over time is that rational people form a consensus based on the most likely  explanation of events. Obviously you'll not be part of this process as you clearly equate skepticism with negativity.

[JohnH]

Aye, you and Jim are right, I'm just a blind optimist, nevermind 

[Fiend]

No offense to Adam, but given the idiotic "source" (the toddlers' so-called website, not AL posting it, that is) of this "news" item, could we have it moved to The Shit Heap, please.

[slackline]

(the toddlers' so-called website, not AL posting it, that is)

Thats rather condescending.  You may take issue over the the validity of the content but thats a completely separate issue (for what its worth I think the site looks quite good and is well designed).  Name calling won't do you any favours (ya old git  )

[jwi]

  Amazing effort  ,maybe it's just me but the way I see it is that the truth will out in the end anyway, so there's no point being overly sceptical or negative.

History suggest that the truth won't 'out', it never does. Please enlighten me with an example of a contested ascent which has been proved one way or another.

Sometimes it does. Or sort of, anyway.

Rosta's ascent of Le Miroir des vanités, 8Bb, was questioned. He was supposed to have done this traverse in late April, and, as we all know, this is hardly the ideal time if you want to send hard stuff in Fontainebleau... Anyway, Rosta invited the reporter to go with him back to Fontainbleau to see for himself. Said and done, they went there and Rosta climbed the traverse in front of the reporter. This was in July...

After a trip to the Grampians and the famous Hollow Mountain Cave, he claimed to have climbed most of the (then) hardest lines, including Cave Rave and Eve Rave both 8Bb+. Things like "he wasn't there" and "I saw him trying that thing and he wasn't even close" were flying through the air (and also the internet) . Then it turned out his hardest ascents were caught on film..

[Karl]

Jealousy is an horrific thing to deal with. you're all getting past your prime and i understand you're a little bit peeved some youth has turned up and dispatched your dream wish-list in the blink of an eye.  
But seriously, ripping on what is the best talent in climbing in the last few years in such a manner is pretty rubbish.

I am sure we have been over this before, with the ace and the joker saga. He goes out and he does it, he doesn't take along some cock lord from CLIMB to take pictures. Or get his mates to video this fine ascent so he can post it on here so he can get virtual arse slapping from you all.

I am sure Scott will post on here when he gets back from Font, with his big fictional tick list no doubt eh boys?

[Paul B]

selective quoting doesn't really aid your point.

[Scouse D]

FFS.
The boy didn't flash the joker therefore we all doubt him. I am not jealous of this kid. I want him to do well but he's making big claims at the top end of the sport which aren't to be taken lightly.
PLEASE CAN ONE WITNESS STEP FORWARD???!!!

[SA Chris]

Karl, seeing as you appear to be close to the source, just tell us in a simple one word answer, did he flash The Promise or didn't he?

[north_country_boy]

But seriously, ripping on what is the best talent in climbing in the last few years in such a manner is pretty rubbish.

I hope this is some kind of joke?

I am sure Scott will post on here when he gets back from Font, with his big fictional tick list no doubt eh boys?

I for one can't wait....... Spanish, French, who cares.......just watch my back....

Karl, seeing as you appear to be close to the source, just tell us in a simple one word answer, did he you see him flash The Promise or didn't henot?

[Karl]

Yes.
He also did the joker, and the ace and brad pitt in the style that was reported.

Scott doesn't lie. I'd trust him with my life. Can we all get on with our own shit now rather than tear a good kid to bits?

[Karl]

But seriously, ripping on what is the best talent in climbing in the last few years in such a manner is pretty rubbish.

I hope this is some kind of joke?

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Dunno man, you're quite funny. You tell me?
Flashing Font 8a, 8B in a few hours? E8 ground up? not something special?