To be fair to James, all the BS about the grading of the Promise took place before we'd really done anything. Later in the trip we did End of the Affair and Gaia, both considered benchmark E8 and both miles easier and safer [well similarly safe at least, hard to compare]. So if we take those as E8 then the Promise has to be at least E9. And Kevin and I both used crash pads at the base, which makes it a lot less scary.
WHat about you BUngle?And are you any relatioin to Zippy?