I've never got round to buying one of these pain inducing machines - thought about it many times but always managed to find a reason not to. Anyway I'm thinking the time has come to get one especially as I am no longer able to commute to work. Anybody got any recommendations of what to get - it seems that like all bicycle equipment its possible to spend any sort of money.
there is a book by pete read called turbo training to win.its probably had a couple of updates since i got mine 10 years ago,i can't recommend this enough if you do as he says it works.so until you get hold of copy heres a couple of suggestions.given its november why are you training at race pace.its too early if you are planning to peak in march/april.workouts upto christmas.10 min w/up 25min 65%h/r 20min70%h/r 15min75%h/r 10min w/down.you increase the intensity of this the nearer you are to racing.10 minw/up 5mins on 1min off x5(or as many as you can cope with) 10 minw/down i sually try to do this one around about 80% but usually end up with a higher h/rthe above twice a week with a 3 hour or more ride at the w/e will get you in reasonable shape by christmas ready for some real work.i.e.10 min w/up 1min 1min off x10 10 min w/down as hard you can with out blowing up.10 min w/up 15 secs sprint 15 secs easy x3 1minrest then x5 1minrest x7 x9 x11 and back down 10 min warm down.10 min w/up 1min 53x18 2 min 53x17 3min 53x16 4min 53x15 5min 53x14 6 min 53x13 7 min 53x12 10 min w/down.i can't remember on this one whether you get a minutes rest between each effort.this following one was gieven to me by a coach who reconed the russian track squad used it.warm up45 secs t/t pace 15 secs sprint x4 5 min easy x 4 sets warm down.enjoy
Quote from: webbo on November 05, 2008, 08:45:23 amthere is a book by pete read called turbo training to win.its probably had a couple of updates since i got mine 10 years ago,i can't recommend this enough if you do as he says it works.so until you get hold of copy heres a couple of suggestions.given its november why are you training at race pace.its too early if you are planning to peak in march/april.workouts upto christmas.10 min w/up 25min 65%h/r 20min70%h/r 15min75%h/r 10min w/down.you increase the intensity of this the nearer you are to racing.10 minw/up 5mins on 1min off x5(or as many as you can cope with) 10 minw/down i sually try to do this one around about 80% but usually end up with a higher h/rthe above twice a week with a 3 hour or more ride at the w/e will get you in reasonable shape by christmas ready for some real work.i.e.10 min w/up 1min 1min off x10 10 min w/down as hard you can with out blowing up.10 min w/up 15 secs sprint 15 secs easy x3 1minrest then x5 1minrest x7 x9 x11 and back down 10 min warm down.10 min w/up 1min 53x18 2 min 53x17 3min 53x16 4min 53x15 5min 53x14 6 min 53x13 7 min 53x12 10 min w/down.i can't remember on this one whether you get a minutes rest between each effort.this following one was gieven to me by a coach who reconed the russian track squad used it.warm up45 secs t/t pace 15 secs sprint x4 5 min easy x 4 sets warm down.enjoy btw - i assume those HRs are %ages of max HR?
Quote from: fatkid2000 on November 05, 2008, 10:05:23 amI've never got round to buying one of these pain inducing machines - thought about it many times but always managed to find a reason not to. Anyway I'm thinking the time has come to get one especially as I am no longer able to commute to work. Anybody got any recommendations of what to get - it seems that like all bicycle equipment its possible to spend any sort of money.i have an elite mag trainer. not sure what the current version is called.it's ok, as torture devices go.if i was getting one now i'd buy the cycleops fluid trainer, mainly cos it looks much better made and has a much heavier flywheel. i think that's the key thing that makes a trainer more realistic.
Quote from: Yossarian on November 05, 2008, 12:23:22 pmQuote from: webbo on November 05, 2008, 08:45:23 amthere is a book by pete read called turbo training to win.its probably had a couple of updates since i got mine 10 years ago,i can't recommend this enough if you do as he says it works.so until you get hold of copy heres a couple of suggestions.given its november why are you training at race pace.its too early if you are planning to peak in march/april.workouts upto christmas.10 min w/up 25min 65%h/r 20min70%h/r 15min75%h/r 10min w/down.you increase the intensity of this the nearer you are to racing.10 minw/up 5mins on 1min off x5(or as many as you can cope with) 10 minw/down i sually try to do this one around about 80% but usually end up with a higher h/rthe above twice a week with a 3 hour or more ride at the w/e will get you in reasonable shape by christmas ready for some real work.i.e.10 min w/up 1min 1min off x10 10 min w/down as hard you can with out blowing up.10 min w/up 15 secs sprint 15 secs easy x3 1minrest then x5 1minrest x7 x9 x11 and back down 10 min warm down.10 min w/up 1min 53x18 2 min 53x17 3min 53x16 4min 53x15 5min 53x14 6 min 53x13 7 min 53x12 10 min w/down.i can't remember on this one whether you get a minutes rest between each effort.this following one was gieven to me by a coach who reconed the russian track squad used it.warm up45 secs t/t pace 15 secs sprint x4 5 min easy x 4 sets warm down.enjoy btw - i assume those HRs are %ages of max HR?i'm a fraid so.the problem with turbo trainers is there is no where to hide.you can't come out with all the usual shit of "its hilly or its windy or even the tarmacs melting" you've just got to knuckle down and get on with it.the only pleasure comes later when the effort pays off in races so its abit of a leap of faith.
Quote from: Yossarian on November 05, 2008, 11:25:00 amQuote from: fatkid2000 on November 05, 2008, 10:05:23 amI've never got round to buying one of these pain inducing machines - thought about it many times but always managed to find a reason not to. Anyway I'm thinking the time has come to get one especially as I am no longer able to commute to work. Anybody got any recommendations of what to get - it seems that like all bicycle equipment its possible to spend any sort of money.i have an elite mag trainer. not sure what the current version is called.it's ok, as torture devices go.if i was getting one now i'd buy the cycleops fluid trainer, mainly cos it looks much better made and has a much heavier flywheel. i think that's the key thing that makes a trainer more realistic.me too..well. it's Dollys and he hates it so i robbed it off him last year..as fatkid has *kindly* entered me into the cheshire cat (whilst I was off watching my brother get married)- and entries are filling up pronto btw - ... i'd better get my lardy MTB arse onto the road bike... having just blundered off a plane after a 5 day whistle stop tour of singapore with temps of 32 degrees at midnight I'm really really loving the weather this afternoon.. weirdly i just dusted off the beast only 30 mins ago.. give it a another week of looking at my training log (incl cadance endurance training and up and down the cassette intervals... and at least one episode of passing out IIRC) and I'll have to strap the bike and me onto the damn thing
ahhh, ok. i tend to work with percentage of threshold / TT pace.this year i've got a lot better at beasting myself (when i actually bother to ride) - in my last pseudo competitive season (not terribly competitive, but hey) i discovered in retrospect that i had done far too many slow / gentle junk miles. i think a combination of a winter with longer rides and some turbo beastings, and then faster road ride in late jan / early feb will be the ticket. what for i'm not quite sure.
Quote from: fatdoc on November 05, 2008, 01:49:21 pmQuote from: Yossarian on November 05, 2008, 11:25:00 amQuote from: fatkid2000 on November 05, 2008, 10:05:23 amI've never got round to buying one of these pain inducing machines - thought about it many times but always managed to find a reason not to. Anyway I'm thinking the time has come to get one especially as I am no longer able to commute to work. Anybody got any recommendations of what to get - it seems that like all bicycle equipment its possible to spend any sort of money.i have an elite mag trainer. not sure what the current version is called.it's ok, as torture devices go.if i was getting one now i'd buy the cycleops fluid trainer, mainly cos it looks much better made and has a much heavier flywheel. i think that's the key thing that makes a trainer more realistic.me too..well. it's Dollys and he hates it so i robbed it off him last year..as fatkid has *kindly* entered me into the cheshire cat (whilst I was off watching my brother get married)- and entries are filling up pronto btw - ... i'd better get my lardy MTB arse onto the road bike... having just blundered off a plane after a 5 day whistle stop tour of singapore with temps of 32 degrees at midnight I'm really really loving the weather this afternoon.. weirdly i just dusted off the beast only 30 mins ago.. give it a another week of looking at my training log (incl cadance endurance training and up and down the cassette intervals... and at least one episode of passing out IIRC) and I'll have to strap the bike and me onto the damn thing you're both riding this cat thing?maybe i should join in...
I passed out twice last year on a turbo
have to say after the life threatening nightmare that is my commute today I'm going to start intervals on the short b*tard hills round the block from my house with singletrack descents through graves park for a crash fitness course for spain... i just cannt take the turbo... MTB intervals twice a week here we come . the climb is on road... and 500m only... but it's steeper than winnats
I'm doing intervals on le turbo - and god its dull,
if i was getting one now i'd buy the cycleops fluid trainer, mainly cos it looks much better made and has a much heavier flywheel. i think that's the key thing that makes a trainer more realistic.
Quote from: Yossarian on November 05, 2008, 11:25:00 amif i was getting one now i'd buy the cycleops fluid trainer, mainly cos it looks much better made and has a much heavier flywheel. i think that's the key thing that makes a trainer more realistic.And only £152 on wiggle this morning. Anyone got any dissenting views before I part with hard earned cash?
Along the same lines, I went to the lab for some testing this morning. Nothing beats a bit of science and I love a little prick in the hand from time to time. If a turbo trainer is torture then the srm ergometer is like a week with usay hussein armed with some handcuffs and a hammer drill.
How much did you weigh when you had that test?