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#25 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 02:28:29 pm
We are going to use our outside toilet as a wood store.

So it'll still be full of logs

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#26 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 02:35:59 pm
Chimney fires are only a problem if you don't clean your chimney, either get someone round once a year (£25 ish) or buy some brushes and do it yourself.

Burning a tree is the most enviromental way of disposing of it and it heats your house. Win win

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#27 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 04:14:24 pm
Burning a tree is not the most environmental way of disposing of it Jim. It would be far better to let it rot where it falls. I know a man with seven axes needs to justify using them, but the only way burning wood is better than fossil fuels is that no 'extra' carbon is put into the system.

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#28 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 04:17:14 pm
We are going to use our outside toilet as a wood store.

And with the toilet full of wood are you going to shit out the window? :)

We're going to use the toilet as the woodstore, the kitchen as the toilet, the bedroom as the kitchen, the living room as the bedroom and the toilet as the living room.....oh shit!

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#29 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 05:35:04 pm
... the only way burning wood is better than fossil fuels is that no 'extra' carbon is put into the system.

Wood is sustainable.  Fossil fuels are not (within our human timeframe).

Wood can be farmed w/ out the impact of opencast or deep mining (I mean this in a physical way and its damage to the environment, not in a carbon-quotient way).

But you know this  ???

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#30 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 06:41:10 pm


 bubs & the Ti hammners...


Wrong.

Very wrong.
 :lol:


I agree with the wood burning concept, got a mate who is a CDT teacher, I get the off cuts, turn the heating off and use the fire.... kids sleep in socks with blankets on the duvets..


Means I get cash for Ti brakes, never mind hammers  :P

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#31 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 07:25:45 pm
kids sleep in socks with blankets on the duvets..

You either have very big feet or very small children   :-\

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#32 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 17, 2008, 08:06:55 pm
cold children...

who appreciate a warm front room  ;)

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#33 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 18, 2008, 06:07:43 pm
Burning a tree is not the most environmental way of disposing of it Jim. It would be far better to let it rot where it falls.
Why?

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#34 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 18, 2008, 06:36:08 pm
Because then (most of) the carbon is returned to the ground directly instead of passing into the atmosphere. Whilst it decomposes it forms food and home for a myriad of creatures. Even if we weren't burning fossil fuels, cutting trees down and burning the wood would still be upsetting the carbon dioxide content of the air. As Houdini points out, this can be done sustainably but keen environmentalists like yourself calling something less bad 'environmentally friendly' is only true relative to the usual alternative and often not actually good at all. Just less bad.

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#35 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 07:03:51 am
Is this your own theory?
after doing very limited and quick research it seems that both methods release the same amount of carbon into the atmosphere, one as methane, the other as CO2

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#36 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 08:43:37 am
No Jim its FACT. Burning turns pretty much all the carbon into CO2, rotting returns much of it direct to the soil.

i'm not suggesting you don't do it, it is better than coalk, just don't be smug thinking you're doing the trees a favour.

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#37 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 09:49:07 am
Trees left to rot in their natural environments provide valuable habitats for hedgehogs, insects and fungi and so on. And as animals are a well known producer of CO2, perhaps it's in the climate's best interests, long term, if their habitats are used to warm Jim's house instead.

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#38 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 10:17:43 am
I've just got this image of Jim sat smug and warm in front of the log burner, whilst the dedicated media pc plays HD climbing vids, all seven axes stood in size order along the hearth, with a smug grin and wondering when the thankyou letter from Sting will arrive.

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#39 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 10:30:54 am
Trees left to rot in their natural environments provide valuable habitats for hedgehogs, insects and fungi and so on. And as animals are a well known producer of CO2, perhaps it's in the climate's best interests, long term, if their habitats are used to warm Jim's house instead.

Maybe you should just catch hedgehogs and use them as fuel? You can still chop them up with the axe collection.

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#40 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 10:42:11 am
This might be of help

http://www.lowcarbonbuildings.org.uk/how/householders/

We are just having our fireplace done to try and save some cash.  I'd be psyched for a UKB Sheffield tree felling association


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#41 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 12:02:13 pm
No Jim its FACT. Burning turns pretty much all the carbon into CO2, rotting returns much of it direct to the soil.

i'm not suggesting you don't do it, it is better than coalk, just don't be smug thinking you're doing the trees a favour.

Dont forget that when you chop down a tree, a large amount of the carbon that the tree has taken up from the atmosphere (through growing) remains underground in the roots and stump... AFAIK growing trees for firewood is carbon negative, as some remains underground...
Much much better than burning up fossil fuels...

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#42 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 12:23:39 pm
Of course. But to say

Quote
Burning a tree is the most enviromental way of disposing of it

is plain wrong.

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#43 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 01:43:33 pm
I think your missing the point. I'm not out to become smug or to ease my conscience, I burn mainly coal anyway. I genuinly want to know the facts that are backed up with science.
Like I say, In my very quick and limited research, I can only find information that confirms my theory, maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or googling the wrong words.
Were did you learn these FACT's or is it your own theory?

Also I think that letting a tree rot where it falls can't be classed as dispossing of it


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#45 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
November 19, 2008, 11:41:11 pm
Aw fuck it.

W/ out heat I'll snuff it this winter...  And driving to the crag is hardly C neutral ...

Letting a tree rot where it falls can be classed as letting nature take it's course.

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#46 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
February 28, 2009, 05:45:49 pm
Got the chainsaw I bought from ebay running properly now and have found a large dead tree in some woods that I can slowly bring home :)

The log pile is about 7ft x 3ft x 3ft now so it's getting there.

I made a saw-horse out of old 2x4 and bought a splitting maul too.




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#47 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
March 01, 2009, 09:11:25 pm
nice, really need to build myself a saw horse

this one looks rather good
http://www.ovwg.org/New-OVWG-Site/Techniques/Saw%20horse.pdf
« Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 09:17:35 pm by Jim »

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#48 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
March 01, 2009, 09:22:22 pm
never mind that, this looks the bolloxs
check the video

drool
http://www.mowermagic.co.uk/acatalog/Saw_Horses.html#aMPMD4460

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#49 Re: Legality of pinching firewood
March 01, 2009, 10:24:09 pm

That looks excellent - not cheap but would probably be worth it in the end. My self-built one is too bulky really but it'll do for now.

Not sure how good that one in the pdf would be. It would work well with large logs but would be crap for smaller stuff.

 

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