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Title: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: willackers on December 05, 2010, 08:01:17 pm
Just seen this on UKC   :jaw:   :wank:


http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=436389 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=436389)




http://www.flickr.com/photos/54759674@N08/5234641415/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54759674@N08/5234641415/#)
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Post by: account_inactive on December 05, 2010, 09:00:26 pm
http://calumnicoll.blogspot.com/2010/09/duntelchaig.html (http://calumnicoll.blogspot.com/2010/09/duntelchaig.html)

Bell end
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Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 05, 2010, 09:08:45 pm
 :wank: Indeed!
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Post by: petejh on December 05, 2010, 09:20:50 pm
Jesus tittyfuckingchrist does this retard really exist?
What an absolute fucking cunt.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 05, 2010, 09:26:48 pm
Message sent on facebook to him expressing my ahem, 'concerns' about tooling at Millstone.  :furious:
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Post by: Robsons on December 05, 2010, 09:41:30 pm
^ Good work!
Cannot believe it to be honest, what a muppet!  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SteveM on December 05, 2010, 09:47:48 pm
I offered a few choice opinions to the climbers in question - not that it made the blindest bit of difference. It's put me in a right royal grump all day, idiots.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bad-altitude/5235339921/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bad-altitude/5235339921/#)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 05, 2010, 09:48:55 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bad-altitude/5235339921/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bad-altitude/5235339921/#)

Is that a tent!?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: dave on December 05, 2010, 09:59:10 pm
What a pair of fucking cocks.

They could have at least had the common courtesy to actually go on the lead, at least then it gives the crag a chance to break their legs.
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Post by: Steamboat Stello on December 05, 2010, 10:00:23 pm
What a twat! Might be a coincidence but I had a walk round Lawrencfield with the missus last weekend and saw some "tools" abseiling with crampons pretty much down the line of that unclimbed project in the roadside bit! I was gonna have a word but just at that point she slipped over and hit her back on a rock and in the ensuing blame-session "why did you make me walk round here etc" I didn't get round to it. Was angry with myself afterwards though.  Possibly the same infidels?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 05, 2010, 10:17:52 pm
I offered a few choice opinions to the climbers in question - not that it made the blindest bit of difference. It's put me in a right royal grump all day, idiots.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bad-altitude/5235339921/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bad-altitude/5235339921/#)

Good on you Steve for saying something....

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Post by: rginns on December 05, 2010, 10:41:44 pm
Unfortunately it probably happens more than people think. Dry tooling at Denham has certainly scratched the rock in the recent past.
It seems some winter climbers have no respect for rock.

I have tried to speak to the cretins in the past to voice disapproval but it's sometimes difficult when you're faced with an ice axe...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Eddies on December 05, 2010, 10:54:07 pm
 :jaw: What's the world coming to!?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on December 05, 2010, 11:00:20 pm
Sounds like the same guy as the newbie 'Calum' on here who's at risk of giving CLM a bad name.

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4942 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4942)



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Post by: robertostallioni on December 05, 2010, 11:06:43 pm
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10
power club / Re: UKB Power Club Week 12 (Mon 26th - Sun 2nd)
« on: May 07, 2010, 10:03:24 pm »
Monday - Ran about
Tuesday - bouldering for couple of hours at westway
Wed - Ran about, almost ended up enjoying it, the sunshine was lovely
Thurs - bouldering at westway
Friday- westway
Sat - Core exercise, always feel good after doing them
Sun - westway, felt good

STG(basically this summer): Continue working to grip handholds as lightly as possible.  Go bouldering outside in london for the first time, do dry tooling bouldering project without falling off and breaking my back. When back in scotland try to onsight firestone, have a look at the hurting,  get over to skye and do some new routes.  When in cham, do joe le taxi, try a new route on the dru, try a nice unclimbed steep ice line that I know of, get on thai boxing, fall off thai boxing.  Explore the argentiere glacier more and do some new routes.

LTG(basically this winter):  Have my eye on two incredible scottish winter lines.  If I can get up one of them, it would be ace.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 05, 2010, 11:30:41 pm
giving CLM a bad name.

Oh, the irony!! :lol:
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Post by: wiain on December 05, 2010, 11:33:53 pm
Fook me I'm absoltely gobsmacked.  :furious:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Moo on December 05, 2010, 11:52:41 pm
light the torches and fetch the pitch forks
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Paul B on December 06, 2010, 12:14:20 am
light the torches and fetch the pitch forks

Yeah, I'm sure they'd be psyched for some night tooling  ;)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 06, 2010, 09:14:33 am
Unfortunately it probably happens more than people think. Dry tooling at Denham has certainly scratched the rock in the recent past.

There are define crampon scratches on one of the descents at Back Bowden too.

Penii the lot of them.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: dave on December 06, 2010, 09:21:12 am
There are define crampon scratches on one of the descents at Back Bowden too.

You should have seen the descent down the back of cwym idwal this march, and infact all of tryfan north ridge was scratched up to fuck. Obviously these are not sandstone-grit crags (but the rock ain't all that hard) but it goes to show how 2 months of winter use makes it look gash the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 06, 2010, 09:26:12 am
I'm in no way justifying it, but those are at least in the mountains. the descent down the back of idwal has always been scratched to fuck for as long s I have been going there.

I think half the problem is cunns who are too lazy to take off crampons when they aren't actually need.

Crampons on lowlying outcrops is totally taking the piss.
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Post by: Snoops on December 06, 2010, 09:40:44 am
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I lead some easy corner crack, into which I put all my rack, I figured if I was carrying it I might as well place it.

Then stuck a top rope on Chalkstorm, checked where the holds were and did it first try. It had some wicked moves, I especially liked using a pinky mono to cross the overlap. Could solo it but not sure if I will.

Next day, shunted Obsession Fatale. It lures you in, easy moves to the break, easy moves over the break, a slightly tricky mantle onto a ledge, then you can almost reach the top, stand up on the next smear then I fall. Only onto the shunt, not the 10m to the ground and two broken legs fortunately. Couldn't do the last couple of moves, but I think on a top rope it'd be easier than with a shunt which was pulling me slightly off balance. Tempting to go back and try this again.


 :wank:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: slackline on December 06, 2010, 09:42:55 am
 :wall:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: north_country_boy on December 06, 2010, 10:51:52 am
From his blog:

"3rd week - Wales - got rained on, went to parisellas cave, was the most fun I've ever had bouldering, all the moves were pretty consistent, no one stopper move. Almost did some traverse. Then went dry tooling on some choss the next day. "

Which is followed by this pic of Holyhead mountain......

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9okFgaf2iXg/TOiCQ8BsAXI/AAAAAAAAADg/CbthbZcHDH8/s320/149149_456962057219_612147219_5318790_6742204_n.jpg)

Anyone else slightly alarmed?

What a complete tool.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: slackline on December 06, 2010, 11:03:35 am
Best watch out in Scotland (http://northern-frontier.blogspot.com/)  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Probes on December 06, 2010, 11:07:10 am
Just put a thread up on ukc bout someone dry tooling in anglezarke, wonder if its the same pilock??
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: granticus on December 06, 2010, 11:10:09 am
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Got trapped on top of the deliverence boulder after climbing up in the dark and not being able to see the holds to get back down, had to ab off, using Duncan as a convienient anchor on the other side of the boulder.

A bit stanage centric, but life is great.
:wank:

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 06, 2010, 11:13:46 am
Best watch out in Scotland (http://northern-frontier.blogspot.com/)  :thumbsdown:

Might be the cock who has been dry tooling in Glen Nevis.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: north_country_boy on December 06, 2010, 11:16:57 am
"Calum Nicoll - 19 - is a student doing physics in London. He bounces very well, has climbed XS and has been featured on BBC News for his climbing. He tried to solo the West Face of the Dru for his first alpine route, failed but survived, and has since spent several seasons in Chamonix, climbing numerous new routes. He once killed a deer with his bare hands, then spent the rest of the year eating it. "

I think its easy to draw a conclusion what kind of character this t**t is, after reading that....
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Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 06, 2010, 11:20:27 am
His partner in crime.

Struan Chisholm - 18 - is a student at Cambridge, doing History. He's a survival expert and will supply the expedition with as much fish as he can catch in the canoe he built out of sticks. He climbs only in big boots, recently managing an E1 onsight solo (Monolith Slab) in the rain. He spent last summer living in a cave in the alps and climbing hard.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Andrew B on December 06, 2010, 11:42:08 am
When I first opened that thread I expected a unanimous consensus that doing this is completely wrong and there would be no arguement. Not quite the case it seems...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: rginns on December 06, 2010, 11:50:11 am
Just put a thread up on ukc bout someone dry tooling in anglezarke, wonder if its the same pilock??

If it's not this moron, there are definitely some other south lancs dry toolers who should know better.

The very nature of crags like Anglezarke and Denham mean that the rock is pretty friable especially in winter. I've pulled holds off at both crags without a bloody ice axe!

This sort of behaviour should be left to established winter venues.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: jonny2vests on December 06, 2010, 12:02:21 pm
When I first opened that thread I expected a unanimous consensus that doing this is completely wrong and there would be no arguement. Not quite the case it seems...

Tell me about it.  Its astounding.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: dave on December 06, 2010, 12:04:12 pm
"Calum Nicoll - 19 - is a student doing physics in London. He bounces very well, has climbed XS and has been featured on BBC News for his climbing. He tried to solo the West Face of the Dru for his first alpine route, failed but survived, and has since spent several seasons in Chamonix, climbing numerous new routes. He once killed a deer with his bare hands, then spent the rest of the year eating it. "

I think its easy to draw a conclusion what kind of character this t**t is, after reading that....

His partner in crime.

Struan Chisholm - 18 - is a student at Cambridge, doing History. He's a survival expert and will supply the expedition with as much fish as he can catch in the canoe he built out of sticks. He climbs only in big boots, recently managing an E1 onsight solo (Monolith Slab) in the rain. He spent last summer living in a cave in the alps and climbing hard.

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/characters/images/offroaders.jpg)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: slackline on December 06, 2010, 12:13:33 pm
The very nature of crags like Anglezarke and Denham mean that the rock is pretty friable especially in winter. I've pulled holds off at both crags without a bloody ice axe!


Millstone's not immune either, my friend pulled a hold off of Bond Street earlier this year (should have been jamming, but there).
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 06, 2010, 01:06:27 pm
When I first opened that thread I expected a unanimous consensus that doing this is completely wrong and there would be no arguement. Not quite the case it seems...

Tell me about it.  Its astounding.

Well the main culprit is not the brightest of tacks.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 06, 2010, 01:19:15 pm
The very nature of crags like Anglezarke and Denham mean that the rock is pretty friable especially in winter. I've pulled holds off at both crags without a bloody ice axe!


Millstone's not immune either, my friend pulled a hold off of Bond Street earlier this year (should have been jamming, but there).

I was seriously fucked off with the damage at Denham, yeah it's a bit of a Lancs venue but it's next to home and I like it.
To morons:  If I catch any of you fuckers dry tooling there I'm going to go up top and throw sheep at you until you cry.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: peewee on December 06, 2010, 01:32:03 pm
The very nature of crags like Anglezarke and Denham mean that the rock is pretty friable especially in winter. I've pulled holds off at both crags without a bloody ice axe!


Millstone's not immune either, my friend pulled a hold off of Bond Street earlier this year (should have been jamming, but there).

I was seriously fucked off with the damage at Denham, yeah it's a bit of a Lancs venue but it's next to home and I like it.
To morons:  If I catch any of you fuckers dry tooling there I'm going to go up top and throw sheep at you until you cry.

I'd say that would be cruel to the sheep but they are hardened Lancastrian sheep, so i think they can handle it.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Serpico on December 06, 2010, 01:35:38 pm
Just seen this on UKC   :jaw:   :wank:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=436389 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=436389)



Looking at the various threats of violence on that thread I imagine M*ck must be right now typing an email to his site's sponsors encouraging them to withdraw their sponsorship?
Sorry T&S.
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Post by: rginns on December 06, 2010, 01:43:27 pm
The very nature of crags like Anglezarke and Denham mean that the rock is pretty friable especially in winter. I've pulled holds off at both crags without a bloody ice axe!


Millstone's not immune either, my friend pulled a hold off of Bond Street earlier this year (should have been jamming, but there).

I was seriously fucked off with the damage at Denham, yeah it's a bit of a Lancs venue but it's next to home and I like it.
To morons:  If I catch any of you fuckers dry tooling there I'm going to go up top and throw sheep at you until you cry.
:goodidea: :agree: Give me a shout, I'd be up for some sheep throwing.
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Post by: peewee on December 06, 2010, 02:01:52 pm
http://www.lorenzgames.com/game/sheep-toss (http://www.lorenzgames.com/game/sheep-toss)

Get some practice in before you go.
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Post by: willackers on December 06, 2010, 04:03:09 pm
I'd much rather throw rocks, big rocks.
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Post by: robertostallioni on December 06, 2010, 04:05:00 pm
This is fucking class.....http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=434867&v=1#x6139191 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=434867&v=1#x6139191)
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Post by: willackers on December 06, 2010, 04:35:00 pm
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Post by: willackers on December 06, 2010, 04:35:57 pm

Brilliant!

The more I hear and the more I see about this Callum the more of a bell end he becomes!

I still can't believe he actually thought it was ok to rock up to Millstone and start smashing about with his axes, what a tool!  :furious:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Probes on December 06, 2010, 04:38:50 pm
The very nature of crags like Anglezarke and Denham mean that the rock is pretty friable especially in winter. I've pulled holds off at both crags without a bloody ice axe!


Millstone's not immune either, my friend pulled a hold off of Bond Street earlier this year (should have been jamming, but there).

I was seriously fucked off with the damage at Denham, yeah it's a bit of a Lancs venue but it's next to home and I like it.
To morons:  If I catch any of you fuckers dry tooling there I'm going to go up top and throw sheep at you until you cry.
:goodidea: :agree: Give me a shout, I'd be up for some sheep throwing.

Me too.... im force feeding them breeze blocks as we speak.
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Post by: peewee on December 06, 2010, 04:40:48 pm
Ill call past on the way home from work and give you a hand.
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Post by: mark s on December 06, 2010, 04:56:49 pm
what amazes me just as much as the the pair of cunts dry tooling.is on ukc some of the equally idiotic views on the ethics of it all. :furious:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: willackers on December 06, 2010, 04:59:36 pm
Franco Cookson seems to think it's ok, he's a bell end as well though
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Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 06, 2010, 05:45:11 pm
He's that tit who came on here saying it was ok to steal people's quickdraws from sport routes. If he's saying that something is ok then (as in this case) the opposite is probably the case.

 :wank:
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Post by: remus on December 06, 2010, 05:56:48 pm
To be fair to franco, he did say somewhere in the midst of it all that its a shit idea to dry tool millstone and that he was just playing devils advocate.

To quote the man himself:
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The main thing i'm trying to ask people is 'Why is it wrong?' I think it is wrong and I have explained why I think that. But, I get the sense on here that many people think it's wrong plainly because it's gritstone and near to their pleasant little homes in sheffielf, where as if it's up some hill in scotland somewhere it doesn't matter.
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Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 06, 2010, 05:59:35 pm
That still makes him a tit though.
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Post by: remus on December 06, 2010, 06:01:00 pm
Oh theres no disputing that.
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Post by: Teaboy on December 06, 2010, 06:57:04 pm
When I first opened that thread I expected a unanimous consensus that doing this is completely wrong and there would be no arguement. Not quite the case it seems...

Tell me about it.  Its astounding.

Well the main culprit is not the brightest of tacks.


Does he have a tendency to mix his metaphors as well?  ;D

Sorry
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Post by: petejh on December 06, 2010, 07:18:49 pm
Callum, if you're reading this thread - the best thing that could happen to you right now is if you were to take a little lead lob and break a minor bone, something that left no lasting damage, just enough to stop you being an arrogant nob-head with your axes in places where you've no purpose in being.  The time off could also allow some sense to enter the space presently occupied by your ego. You're giving the majority of winter climbers a terrible image.

From a devoted winter climber and occasional drytooler (in the right areas).
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Post by: grumpycrumpy on December 06, 2010, 07:28:45 pm
What were they doing at Millstone anyway ? ..... Surely the Downfall must be in better condition if you want to get your axes out .....   
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Post by: Barratt on December 06, 2010, 08:11:12 pm
Haven't we all found ourselves in this predicament!?

"Got trapped on top of the deliverence boulder after climbing up in the dark and not being able to see the holds to get back down, had to ab off"
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Post by: tomtom on December 06, 2010, 08:18:58 pm
What were they doing at Millstone anyway ? ..... Surely the Downfall must be in better condition if you want to get your axes out .....

 :agree:

I've never really got this whole dry tooling business anyway... (the name gives it away to me  - not the dry part or the ing either..)
 
My winter climbing days are long behind me - but for me the best part was that thwack of an axe as it stuck into perfect ice etc.. - when conditions were right it was like climbing with a jug for every hold... all this scrapy, torquey shizzle...  :shrug:

bah humbug, I'm off to find my toothbrush and clean my beastmaker.... in a fully smug an superior manner of course...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 06, 2010, 08:19:47 pm
Haven't we all found ourselves in this predicament!?   ;)

"Got trapped on top of the deliverence boulder after climbing up in the dark and not being able to see the holds to get back down, had to ab off"

I've added a  ;) there as I do hope you were being sarcastic!
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Post by: Sloper on December 06, 2010, 08:31:30 pm
Ahem, has no one got their troll-o-meter out?

Mine's twitching away and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the next round of the cool climber jape.

Anyway, my concern is this, does the belayer hold a valid SPA?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: grumpycrumpy on December 06, 2010, 08:55:56 pm
Haven't we all found ourselves in this predicament!?

"Got trapped on top of the deliverence boulder after climbing up in the dark and not being able to see the holds to get back down, had to ab off"
Ahem, has no one got their troll-o-meter out?

Mine's twitching away and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the next round of the cool climber jape.



 :agree: .......

So  , whoever ,  was either daft enough to climb up the  Deliverance boulder in the dark , or else  climbed it so slowly that  darkness fell whilst he/she was still stuggling to reach the finishing holds and he/she  just didn't notice ..... Screams of bollox to me .....         
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Post by: Falling Down on December 06, 2010, 08:58:21 pm
I don't think it's a troll at all. They are just a pair of fucking egocentric pricks closely followed by the some of morons on the UKC thread 'playing devils advocate' in a pitiful attempt to justify quite staggering and incoherent displays of ignorance and idiocy.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Barratt on December 06, 2010, 09:17:17 pm
I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious... But to appease your desire from little icons:
 :shrug: :jaw: :oops: :furious: :o 8) :boohoo: :guilty: :kiss1:
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Post by: SteveM on December 06, 2010, 09:20:21 pm
Ahem, has no one got their troll-o-meter out?

It's genuine Tom, much as I wish it wasn't because it's still got me wound up inside. I'm in the photo FFS.
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Post by: tomtom on December 06, 2010, 09:24:56 pm
I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious... But to appease your desire from little icons:
 :shrug: :jaw: :oops: :furious: :o 8) :boohoo: :guilty: :kiss1:

 ;D
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Barratt on December 06, 2010, 09:37:00 pm
Two guys dangling at opposite sides of the block in the dark with no way up, no way down... Cutting the rope must have crossed both thier minds.
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Post by: remus on December 06, 2010, 10:40:45 pm
http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=161135 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=161135)

I think a little bit of sick just came out.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: willackers on December 06, 2010, 10:43:26 pm
That's fucking awful!

They knew full well that's what would happen and they still went and did it!, if they didn't think it would scar the rock then they're more brain dead than I first thought! Idiots!
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Post by: petejh on December 06, 2010, 10:47:39 pm
FUCKING
CUNTS!!!
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: petejh on December 06, 2010, 10:49:32 pm
Sorry. I'm pissed off.
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Post by: Alex Ekins on December 06, 2010, 10:53:05 pm
I took 4 pics today (Monday)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888)
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Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 06, 2010, 10:54:15 pm
I took 4 pics today (Monday)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888)

I think a news thread naming and shaming these two is in order.
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Post by: Paul B on December 06, 2010, 11:01:00 pm
FFS thats ugly
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Post by: jcm on December 06, 2010, 11:06:23 pm
FUCKING
CUNTS!!!

Rather well put. It's at times like these I can actually see the merit of the icons. Let me try, :wank:
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Post by: tomtom on December 06, 2010, 11:11:29 pm
I took 4 pics today (Monday)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888)

Well done Alex, best thing to do put the pictures up there and let them speak for themselves. Waddage.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: jcm on December 06, 2010, 11:15:08 pm
I took 4 pics today (Monday)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/author.html?id=103888)

I think a news thread naming and shaming these two is in order.

Naming, possibly. Shaming them - I think that might be harder.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: slackline on December 06, 2010, 11:30:40 pm
From user registered as Callum Nicoll on UKC (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=436389&v=1#x6151512)

Quote from: Fucking retard
Hi Gareth

We had a great weekend, hope you did too.

We did no dry tooling that weekend. We got to millstone about 12 ish saturday. Looked at green death, it wasn't in nick. There was a brilliant thin ice line formed roughly going down monopoly. We tried it but backed off very quickly due to water running down behind the ice. Then we had a burn on some route which consisted of thin ice/neve, partener led it and came off about 1/2 way up when the sheet detached. We then went to bed, intending to get up early the next day to take advantage of the cold temps.

Started climbing at 5am the next morning, the overnight rain had washed out the mid section of monopoly but everything was frozen. We top roped some routes, the photo of us on a route you took was completely in nick, it just wasn't very white. The rock was well verglassed due to seepage from the snow above. The crack itself was filled with snow and ice. I found the crux to be ascending the icicle that was about half way up the crack, right in the back, the crack constricts at that point and it's very awkward indeed unless you have child sized hands.


Interestingly, of the people we spoke to that weekend, 2 groups expressed disapproval, one guy on his own said the route wasn't in condition, and another 7 (or 8 ) groups of people approved.


Calum

 :wank:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Paul B on December 06, 2010, 11:42:53 pm
Shaming them - I think that might be harder.

Unfortunately you're not wrong.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: jonny2vests on December 07, 2010, 12:37:29 am
From user registered as Callum Nicoll on UKC (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=436389&v=1#x6151512)

Quote from: Fucking retard
Hi Gareth

We had a great weekend, hope you did too.

We did no dry tooling that weekend. We got to millstone about 12 ish saturday. Looked at green death, it wasn't in nick. There was a brilliant thin ice line formed roughly going down monopoly. We tried it but backed off very quickly due to water running down behind the ice. Then we had a burn on some route which consisted of thin ice/neve, partener led it and came off about 1/2 way up when the sheet detached. We then went to bed, intending to get up early the next day to take advantage of the cold temps.

Started climbing at 5am the next morning, the overnight rain had washed out the mid section of monopoly but everything was frozen. We top roped some routes, the photo of us on a route you took was completely in nick, it just wasn't very white. The rock was well verglassed due to seepage from the snow above. The crack itself was filled with snow and ice. I found the crux to be ascending the icicle that was about half way up the crack, right in the back, the crack constricts at that point and it's very awkward indeed unless you have child sized hands.


Interestingly, of the people we spoke to that weekend, 2 groups expressed disapproval, one guy on his own said the route wasn't in condition, and another 7 (or 8 ) groups of people approved.


Calum

 :wank:

Why the fuck would anyone (7 or 8 groups of anyone), misguided or just mental, purposefully stop and take time out of their day to offer approval?  Even under normal circumstances, people don't randomly stop and offer their approval at stuff.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: chillax on December 07, 2010, 12:55:14 am
I approve of this thread.

Frankly thats fucking disgraceful. We've had the same shit in ireland with people people fucking up routes in dalkey by drytooling or claiming conditions. Theres a time and a place for winter climbing, and its certainly not popular single pitch crags of soft rock near major population centres. Cocks.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: willackers on December 07, 2010, 10:30:41 am
Even if Millstone was in condition you still don't go there with your axes and crampons.

They're fucking idiots, I can't believe what they have done to those routes, it's a good job someone did see them and say something otherwise they might have gone somewhere else and done the same thing. It wouldn't suprise me if they have anyway.

Twats!
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 10:34:08 am
Unfortunately, they sound like deluded fools with no insight that what they have done deserves a battery acid enema.  So I doubt someone telling them off at the time will make any difference (although, well done to whoever said something).
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: slackline on December 07, 2010, 10:43:38 am
I am NOT in anyway excusing the actions of these idiots, but the 1991 BMC Froggatt guide which covers Millstone has a picture of someone with axes and crampons on a snow covered Great Slab, so they're not the first to have tried.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: nai on December 07, 2010, 10:59:44 am
That's clearly just a guy out for a walk (one axe, no crampons) who saw a photo opportunity and kicked a few steps up the slab, doubt he went much higher than he is in the pic (not very).  While it's an interesting and unique shot it is an unfortunate one to include in a guide, I'm sure the BMC wouldn't have done it if they thought it would encourage idiotic behaviour like this.   But then dry tooling and climbing mass consumerism was invented back then was it?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: chummer on December 07, 2010, 11:39:20 am
My piss would have been boiling if I'd seen this first hand, I would have stripped their top rope belay and  fucking hounded them until they fucked off, I am a little amazed they were pretty much left top carry on despite there being some climbers about.  :shrug:
It may sound harsh but just saying something basically wasn't enough in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Baron on December 07, 2010, 11:59:50 am
Selfish bastards
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: cheque on December 07, 2010, 01:55:22 pm
"Calum Nicoll - 19 - is a student doing physics in London. He bounces very well, has climbed XS and has been featured on BBC News for his climbing. He tried to solo the West Face of the Dru for his first alpine route, failed but survived, and has since spent several seasons in Chamonix, climbing numerous new routes. He once killed a deer with his bare hands, then spent the rest of the year eating it. "

The sooner he gets on it again the better.

This lad's from Scotland but has gone to uni in London and still wants to do winter climbing at the weekend? Don't make everyone else suffer for your poor choices you twat.  :wank:

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: petejh on December 07, 2010, 02:01:08 pm
My piss would have been boiling if I'd seen this first hand, I would have stripped their top rope belay and  fucking hounded them until they fucked off, I am a little amazed they were pretty much left top carry on despite there being some climbers about.  :shrug:
It may sound harsh but just saying something basically wasn't enough in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more mate.
Well done to the OP for making this known about though, and I think he did say he was out with his wife/girlfriend so maybe not the best time to start a confrontation but... I can't imagine I'd have walked away from these two arseholes without doing at least what Jon (Chummer) said and making it very clear to these pricks that they're massively in the wrong.
The climbing community's still pretty close-knit despite what people think about the internet/indoor walls etc etc etc, it's everyone's responsibility to keep our own house in order.
 
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: cofe on December 07, 2010, 02:08:44 pm
Selfish bastards

Nail. Head.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 07, 2010, 03:56:26 pm
Great news article!
http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=59279 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=59279)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: RAK Punter on December 07, 2010, 05:42:57 pm
Great news article!
http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=59279 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=59279)

 :agree: and note that it has kicked off an a semi human rights argument about naming the  :wank:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Moo on December 07, 2010, 05:43:03 pm
have we ascertained as to whether or not it is the same callum who posts on here? if it is him or if he is reading this i would like to invite him to join this discussion about his actions at millstone then we can have a two way discussion about the events which may yield some more positive results.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on December 07, 2010, 05:53:36 pm
have we ascertained as to whether or not it is the same callum who posts on here? if it is him or if he is reading this i would like to invite him to join this discussion about his actions at millstone then we can have a two way discussion about the events which may yield some more positive results.

His few posts on here match the activities mentioned on his blog
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=4942 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=4942)

http://calumnicoll.blogspot.com/ (http://calumnicoll.blogspot.com/)

I'm guessing they are one and the same.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GarethH on December 07, 2010, 06:52:18 pm
My piss would have been boiling if I'd seen this first hand, I would have stripped their top rope belay and  fucking hounded them until they fucked off, I am a little amazed they were pretty much left top carry on despite there being some climbers about.  :shrug:
It may sound harsh but just saying something basically wasn't enough in my opinion.
I do wish I had done more now in retrospect, however at the time they stopped and the belayer Struan said to the other prat Calum, 'maybe we should stop'.  After I talked to them (and believe me I think I showed them my anger and serious I found their action) I scrambled up to the top of the crag to watch them and check they hadn't continued, they had stopped.

I then went up to Mother Cap and told a group 5 mates and 4 other blokes what had happened, they were pretty cheesed off but we presumed they had gone.  My regrets are not going back with a big group of people andchecking the damage.  Then again I only though to take photos at the last minute, I was so shocked that I wasn't really thinking straight.  I even tried to ring 4 different people from the top of the crag to let them know but couldn't get though.

What goes around comes around.... :(
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: chummer on December 07, 2010, 07:04:38 pm
Well fair play to you Gareth, thank fuck you were there at all and they stopped which was the main thing.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GarethH on December 07, 2010, 07:19:21 pm
...but they didn't, we drove past 3 hours later and saw them leaving the crag. The guy has just posted again on UKC, makes my blood boil:

'I'm really sorry for all the upset this has caused, I never thought it would cause this much furore. I accept that my crampon technique isn't perfect yet and some of the scratches are my fault, but lots of them were there before. Also, how am I meant to improve my technique if I can't get out there and practice?

As for the comments regarding top-roping, I was working the route with a view to leading it next weekend if conditions hold, but I might have to reconsider now, I wouldn't want to get beaten up!

Calum
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Norton Sharley on December 07, 2010, 07:35:42 pm
My piss would have been boiling if I'd seen this first hand, I would have stripped their top rope belay and  fucking hounded them until they fucked off, I am a little amazed they were pretty much left top carry on despite there being some climbers about.  :shrug:
It may sound harsh but just saying something basically wasn't enough in my opinion.

 :agree:  I best not say any more.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: willackers on December 07, 2010, 07:42:02 pm

 I was working the route with a view to leading it next weekend if conditions hold, but I might have to reconsider now.

Calum

No shit!   :goodidea: ::)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: dave on December 07, 2010, 07:44:36 pm
To repay their massive debt to peak district climbing these guys need to, at the very least, make a significant cash donation to the BMC access fund (3 figures or 4 figures?) and do some voluntary shit like a crag litter pick whilst wearing a sandwich board saying "I'm a complete dick, please kick me hard" etc etc.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 07, 2010, 07:50:41 pm
Gareth-  well done for saying something to these idiots. Its not easy to go up to people you dont know and for want of a better description, tell them off for doing something wrong - especially when you're out to have fun, not police the crags! So  :bow: to you sir. And again to SteveM - both for standing up and doing something.

Reading this - and Calums replies quoted above and on the other channel some things stike me..  I dont think they (or he) is thick - just incredibly arrogant! To carry on blindly trying to defend what is pretty much indefensible leaves me agog! OK, we all make mistakes, or do some daft things - but to keep on trying to make out it was OK... good grief... 
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GraemeA on December 07, 2010, 08:24:27 pm
I wonder how many people will be out 'walking' at Millstone this weekend. All 'armed' with 'walking sticks'  ;)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Sloper on December 07, 2010, 08:55:23 pm
Troll, if only.

Little I can say other than to say I am in agreement with the above.

I think we can safely say that their climbing activities will now be rather limited.  Not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Calum McLellan on December 07, 2010, 09:33:04 pm
My piss would have been boiling if I'd seen this first hand, I would have stripped their top rope belay and  fucking hounded them until they fucked off, I am a little amazed they were pretty much left top carry on despite there being some climbers about.  :shrug:
It may sound harsh but just saying something basically wasn't enough in my opinion.
I do wish I had done more now in retrospect, however at the time they stopped and the belayer Struan said to the other prat Calum, 'maybe we should stop'.  After I talked to them (and believe me I think I showed them my anger and serious I found their action) I scrambled up to the top of the crag to watch them and check they hadn't continued, they had stopped.

I then went up to Mother Cap and told a group 5 mates and 4 other blokes what had happened, they were pretty cheesed off but we presumed they had gone.  My regrets are not going back with a big group of people andchecking the damage.  Then again I only though to take photos at the last minute, I was so shocked that I wasn't really thinking straight.  I even tried to ring 4 different people from the top of the crag to let them know but couldn't get though.

What goes around comes around.... :(


Hi I would just like to say that I know both calum and struan and the other climber is NOT struan and is probable some other imperial climber.

Calum
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Calum McLellan on December 07, 2010, 09:36:01 pm
His partner in crime.

Struan Chisholm - 18 - is a student at Cambridge, doing History. He's a survival expert and will supply the expedition with as much fish as he can catch in the canoe he built out of sticks. He climbs only in big boots, recently managing an E1 onsight solo (Monolith Slab) in the rain. He spent last summer living in a cave in the alps and climbing hard.

You have jumped to conclusions his partner in crime is not Struan and is probably some other imperial climber.

Calum
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: WaldoXerxes on December 07, 2010, 09:43:35 pm
When I first opened that thread I expected a unanimous consensus that doing this is completely wrong and there would be no arguement. Not quite the case it seems...

I also know Callum and all the others named on the Northern Frontier page, including Struan, and the belayer in the photos was not any of them. Given the lengths to which some posters seem to have gone to find out about Callum, I would suggest that it is irresponsible to name others involved, especially when it seems to be idle speculation with no evidence.

Sam
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Norton Sharley on December 07, 2010, 09:43:38 pm
Why don't you fuck off as well ?  :wank:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 07, 2010, 09:44:31 pm
Why don't you fuck off as well ?  :wank:

 :agree:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: WaldoXerxes on December 07, 2010, 09:50:15 pm
Why don't you fuck off as well ?  :wank:
Was that aimed at us? Sorry for letting the small matter of facts get in the way of a lynch mob.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 07, 2010, 09:54:24 pm

Hi I would just like to say that I know both calum and struan and the other climber is NOT struan and is probable some other imperial climber.

Calum

So you're not Calum then. Unless you are refering to yourself in the third person... which would be unusual.

If thats the case I agree with Messers Sharley & Lincoln.  Go away troll...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Calum McLellan on December 07, 2010, 09:57:13 pm
I am not a troll i am: "Calum Mclellan - 18 - works in a lab making explosions in Swindon. In his spare time he's has done several hard winter new routes, including an onsight solo of a VI in the Ben Alder massif. McLellan does not fall off on trad and is generally wheeled out for route cruxes."
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Wagner on December 07, 2010, 10:03:38 pm
Rubbis! You R imposter!  i am: "Calum Mclellan - 18 - works in a lab making explosions in Swindon. In his spare time he's has done several hard winter new routes, including an onsight solo of a VI in the Ben Alder posse. McLellan does not fall off on trad and is generally wheeled out for route cruxes."
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Calum McLellan on December 07, 2010, 10:07:55 pm
I dont need this I am just defending the innocent.  I dont care if you think i am an imposter but jus dont blame it on Struan. 
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Wagner on December 07, 2010, 10:10:44 pm
Pah! Struan got me voted offa Xfactor! Now I no can sniffy sniffy Danni chair..
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Calum McLellan on December 07, 2010, 10:13:29 pm
This is struan and it is clear from the pic that it is not him. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000762261002 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000762261002) 

For the super stalkers out their i am the one in the back of the picture whih ca be linked to the nortern frounters website and to th ciminal himself
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 10:18:31 pm
Assuming you are the Calum in question, I have to say you aren't really helping here.

WaldoXerxes knows you, but can't spell your name.  Good start.

If you want to enter an open discussion of dry tooling at Millstone, why don't you?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Duma on December 07, 2010, 10:29:54 pm
OK now assuming no troll? (big assumption, fair enough), not sure I'm comfortable with the way these two have been treated so far. Calum McL isn't the same Calum who's posts on here correspond to the activities of the idiot at millstone, Calum Nicoll, and he and WaldoXerxes seem to be correct in that Adam's post seems to have named the wrong person as the belayer. Given the understandably strong feelings on this issue, I'd be pretty hacked off someone named me as being involved without reasonable research, so it seems fair enough for them to come on here and point out it's the wrong guy.

Or have I missed something obvious?

Also well done to Gareth and SteveM for getting involved in what I'm sure was a pretty unpleasant situation.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Sloper on December 07, 2010, 10:35:01 pm
String theory part deux, guess I picked the wrong day to mkae allusions to physics about wihich I know nffunk.

Does anyone remember by festive trolling comp on the other side?
Can anyone think of a web community we've upset . . . .  iv by iv?

I suspect Fex Wazner and the owl bothering Jackson mysen.

Now notwithstanding that these folk have scratched millstone up a bit I still fin it plausible that we're at the butt of a mighty fine piece of trolling and if we are; Sir I salute you.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: WaldoXerxes on December 07, 2010, 10:42:14 pm
Assuming you are the Calum in question, I have to say you aren't really helping here.

WaldoXerxes knows you, but can't spell your name.  Good start.

If you want to enter an open discussion of dry tooling at Millstone, why don't you?

He isn't the Calum in question, is he? There is more than one Calum. I thought Calum Nicoll had two ls in his name, but turns out he doesn't. I don't think that is really relevant.

And also, how is this not helping? We are trying to clear the name of someone who's only crime is to be on the same website at the perpetrator. It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.

Sam
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Baron on December 07, 2010, 10:42:52 pm
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z167/Great_WhiteSnark/Nerd_Dork_Geek_Venn_Diagram.jpg)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 07, 2010, 10:44:36 pm
Assuming you are the Calum in question, I have to say you aren't really helping here.

WaldoXerxes knows you, but can't spell your name.  Good start.

If you want to enter an open discussion of dry tooling at Millstone, why don't you?

 blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.

 :wank:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Serpico on December 07, 2010, 10:45:15 pm
OK now assuming no troll? (big assumption, fair enough), not sure I'm comfortable with the way these two have been treated so far. Calum McL isn't the same Calum who's posts on here correspond to the activities of the idiot at millstone, Calum Nicoll, and he and WaldoXerxes seem to be correct in that Adam's post seems to have named the wrong person as the belayer. Given the understandably strong feelings on this issue, I'd be pretty hacked off someone named me as being involved without reasonable research, so it seems fair enough for them to come on here and point out it's the wrong guy.

Or have I missed something obvious?

Also well done to Gareth and SteveM for getting involved in what I'm sure was a pretty unpleasant situation.

 :agree:
However, then this was posted:
Quote
It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.

Which makes you sound like a bit of a cock.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 10:50:23 pm
He isn't the Calum in question, is he? There is more than one Calum. I thought Calum Nicoll had two ls in his name, but turns out he doesn't. I don't think that is really relevant.

And also, how is this not helping? We are trying to clear the name of someone who's only crime is to be on the same website at the perpetrator. It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.

Sam

It's not helping by you fuckwits just shovelling the shit elsewhere without any attempt to use it as fertiliser.  You can't be arsed to clarify events and you wonder why people get annoyed.

You don't think it's relevant that you don't even know how to spell a friend's name?  You claimed to know him, didn't you?

"Some scratched rocks"?  That just smacks of ignorance.

You point your finger at me again, kid, and I'll snap it off.

Now, if anyone would care to make a definitive statement about who did it, and indeed who didn't, I'm fucking ears.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: WaldoXerxes on December 07, 2010, 10:55:15 pm
OK now assuming no troll? (big assumption, fair enough), not sure I'm comfortable with the way these two have been treated so far. Calum McL isn't the same Calum who's posts on here correspond to the activities of the idiot at millstone, Calum Nicoll, and he and WaldoXerxes seem to be correct in that Adam's post seems to have named the wrong person as the belayer. Given the understandably strong feelings on this issue, I'd be pretty hacked off someone named me as being involved without reasonable research, so it seems fair enough for them to come on here and point out it's the wrong guy.

Or have I missed something obvious?

Also well done to Gareth and SteveM for getting involved in what I'm sure was a pretty unpleasant situation.

 :agree:
However, then this was posted:
Quote
It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.

Which makes you sound like a bit of a cock.

I don't climb. I've seen the pictures, and to be honest that is what it looks like - some scratched rocks. I don't deny that it shouldn't have happened, I'm simply saying that from my perspective (noting the first two replies basically said "fuck off", for trying to clear the innocent!) pretty much everyone seems to be overreacting.

I know Calum Nicoll, but I don't know him as well as Calum McLellan, and I don't often have to write his name! Perhaps I do smack of ignorance, but as I said I don't climb. I'm not trying to defend his actions, I'm just saying the response has been disproportionate - surely no-one can deny this is the case, at least to some extent.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: WaldoXerxes on December 07, 2010, 10:58:45 pm
He isn't the Calum in question, is he? There is more than one Calum. I thought Calum Nicoll had two ls in his name, but turns out he doesn't. I don't think that is really relevant.

And also, how is this not helping? We are trying to clear the name of someone who's only crime is to be on the same website at the perpetrator. It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.

Sam

It's not helping by you fuckwits just shovelling the shit elsewhere without any attempt to use it as fertiliser.  You can't be arsed to clarify events and you wonder why people get annoyed.

You don't think it's relevant that you don't even know how to spell a friend's name?  You claimed to know him, didn't you?

"Some scratched rocks"?  That just smacks of ignorance.

You point your finger at me again, kid, and I'll snap it off.

Now, if anyone would care to make a definitive statement about who did it, and indeed who didn't, I'm fucking ears.

Definitive statement: Calum Nicoll did it. We don't know who the other guy is. Not any of the others on the Northern Frontiers site.
All of which has already been stated.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 10:59:49 pm
Definitive statement: Calum Nicoll did it. We don't know who the other guy is. Not any of the others on the Northern Frontiers site.
All of which has already been stated.

Exactly.  So you've come along with an attitude.  And added nothing.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Serpico on December 07, 2010, 11:03:34 pm


I don't climb. I've seen the pictures, and to be honest that is what it looks like - some scratched rocks. I don't deny that it shouldn't have happened, I'm simply saying that from my perspective (noting the first two replies basically said "fuck off", for trying to clear the innocent!) pretty much everyone seems to be overreacting.

I know Calum Nicoll, but I don't know him as well as Calum McLellan, and I don't often have to write his name! Perhaps I do smack of ignorance, but as I said I don't climb. I'm not trying to defend his actions, I'm just saying the response has been disproportionate - surely no-one can deny this is the case, at least to some extent.

Agreed, I take back the 'cock' comment. This has gotten particularly ugly and whilst their actions were ill judged, and their (or Callum's at least) lack of remorse and arrogance afterwards annoying I hope that people aren't going to carry out some of the threats posted above if they encounter them at the crag.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 11:04:59 pm
I for one have my Kamikaze sheep at the ready, just for such an occasion.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Serpico on December 07, 2010, 11:06:14 pm
I for one have my Kamikaze sheep at the ready, just for such an occasion.

A ewe-icide squad?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 11:09:00 pm
Fuck's sake A, that's really bad  :lol:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 07, 2010, 11:15:56 pm
I dont really give a f*ck about who did it as long as they (the people who did it) get the message and dont do it again!

I suspect they have now got the message - as long as they dont do it again - no problemo.


TBH, you two posting here has just muddied the waters somewhat as to which callum/stuarno or whatever was responsible.. and posting up some facebook links really just makes any wannabe stalkers life a whole chunk easier.. Its good that you want to defend an innocent mate* - but might be an idea to think and read through before pressing post.... Oil - fire - on - pour etc..


(special assault sheep)

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Sloper on December 07, 2010, 11:18:17 pm
They deserve to be fleeced, in fact I'll ram home the message.

Bell wether or bell end, tis open to debate.

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 11:19:29 pm
Stop it with the woolly sheep puns, you baaastards.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Serpico on December 07, 2010, 11:24:41 pm
Ewe stop it.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 07, 2010, 11:26:50 pm
Oh, stock it for fuck's sake.  I know you're only doing it for shear annoyance value.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: WaldoXerxes on December 07, 2010, 11:40:01 pm
Definitive statement: Calum Nicoll did it. We don't know who the other guy is. Not any of the others on the Northern Frontiers site.
All of which has already been stated.

Exactly.  So you've come along with an attitude.  And added nothing.

I posted here to make sure people didn't start naming Struan as the culprit in the same way Calum Nicoll has been (who's been named on the front page of a UKC news article!). I don't know anything else. Given the abuse I've received, I think the attitude is justified. Remember I'm not representing Calum Nicoll here. I don't think we have muddied the waters - you now all know it wasn't Struan. If we hadn't posted, he might have been named in the next UKC "news" release.

The facebook link doesn't really show anything, just a picture and his name, so I don't think it is a problem. There should be no reason for people to "research" him now, anyway.

Hopefully I won't need to reply again.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: stevej on December 08, 2010, 01:48:25 am
(Not that anyone is likely to either notice or care, but whilst we're on the topic of naming names I'd better point out I'm not the same person as the unfortunately named 'steveej' who is being a total bellend on the 'discussion' on the other side.)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: RAK Punter on December 08, 2010, 07:09:45 am
I may be showing my age but I always thought dry tooling was what occurred in the morning before the misses had not woken up properly and you could not reach the gel ............................ from this thread, things have obviously changed.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: nik at work on December 08, 2010, 08:25:21 am
I agree with Duma.

I know this is an emotive issue but these two just seem to have come here to make the point that one of the people photographed at Millstone isn't the person people suspect it is. I can't see how that is muddying the waters? It's unfortunate that one of them is also called Cal(l)um (what are the chances?) but the differing surnames provides a clue I think...

How can you expect people to seriously listen to your point of view if your immediate response to someone is to tell them to "fuck off too"? Especially when if you'd actually taken the time to read what they'd written, rather than glance at the name and draw conclusions, you'd realise that they were actually adding some useful information to the debate. These two appear to have registered here simply to add information to the debate and the response is abuse? Not terribly impressive. Perhaps some people should be apologising...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 08, 2010, 09:07:20 am
I don't climb. I've seen the pictures, and to be honest that is what it looks like - some scratched rocks.

If you don't climb you can't start to understand what a big deal this is and, other than correcting folk on the misnaming error, any opinion you have is invalid.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: nik at work on December 08, 2010, 09:16:38 am
Seriously? Jesus...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 08, 2010, 09:20:57 am
Seriously. I wouldn't dream of get involved in ethics of something I didn't really understand or wasn't involved with.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Bonjoy on December 08, 2010, 09:37:29 am
I agree with Duma.

I know this is an emotive issue but these two just seem to have come here to make the point that one of the people photographed at Millstone isn't the person people suspect it is. I can't see how that is muddying the waters? It's unfortunate that one of them is also called Cal(l)um (what are the chances?) but the differing surnames provides a clue I think...

How can you expect people to seriously listen to your point of view if your immediate response to someone is to tell them to "fuck off too"? Especially when if you'd actually taken the time to read what they'd written, rather than glance at the name and draw conclusions, you'd realise that they were actually adding some useful information to the debate. These two appear to have registered here simply to add information to the debate and the response is abuse? Not terribly impressive. Perhaps some people should be apologising...

:agree:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: fatdoc on December 08, 2010, 10:33:25 am
He isn't the Calum in question, is he? There is more than one Calum. I thought Calum Nicoll had two ls in his name, but turns out he doesn't. I don't think that is really relevant.

And also, how is this not helping? We are trying to clear the name of someone who's only crime is to be on the same website at the perpetrator. It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.

Sam

It's not helping by you fuckwits just shovelling the shit elsewhere without any attempt to use it as fertiliser.  You can't be arsed to clarify events and you wonder why people get annoyed.

You don't think it's relevant that you don't even know how to spell a friend's name?  You claimed to know him, didn't you?

"Some scratched rocks"?  That just smacks of ignorance.

You point your finger at me again, kid, and I'll snap it off.

Now, if anyone would care to make a definitive statement about who did it, and indeed who didn't, I'm fucking ears.

Definitive statement: Calum Nicoll did it. We don't know who the other guy is. Not any of the others on the Northern Frontiers site.
All of which has already been stated.

havin read through this entire thread....

i will post only once

- if anyone on here has joined who doesn't climb.. FUCK OFF

- if I find anyone on grit with tools, I will try to kill them.


now, leave the peak grit alone.....

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: slackline on December 08, 2010, 11:12:35 am
i will post only once

- if anyone on here has joined who doesn't climb.. FUCK OFF


 :shrug: good luck assessing that one!

Not a great advertisement for Hug a Newbie week (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,15906) either.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Bonjoy on December 08, 2010, 11:34:47 am
This poster is not a dry toolers, he’s associated with someone falsely lumped in with the dry toolers and has come on here to clear the name of an innocent party. Whilst here he has made comments to the effect that from his non-climber perspective the whole thing sounds like an over-reaction. Whilst it might annoy people that a none climber might think this (and unwisely state it here), it is hardly surprising if looked at objectively from an outsiders POV and hardly grounds for telling someone to fuck off, especially given that he’s only here in the first place because climbers on the internet have falsely vilified his mate i.e. he’s comes here as the wronged party. Some people on here need to wind their necks in, you make yourself and by association other posters on the site look like an ignorant mob.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: account_inactive on December 08, 2010, 11:36:21 am
+1
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jim on December 08, 2010, 11:39:04 am
also agree with Nik.
this thread just needs a bit of moderation imho. (especially the sheep puns!)
a classic case of emotions running too high.

this bloke thats been doing this stuff is just a twat and needs to get the message that his behavior is unacceptable and the climbing community is not willing to stand by and let it happen.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jim on December 08, 2010, 11:40:28 am
and what bonners just said too.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Monk on December 08, 2010, 11:49:12 am
I'm glad sanity has prevailed. I always browse UKB to get a more balanced view of things, and was starting to get a little worried!
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 08, 2010, 01:11:54 pm
In the cold light of day, I'll admit I've allowed my anger to spill onto people that probably didn't deserve a blasting, for which I apologise.  Humble pie for lunch.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: countotto on December 08, 2010, 02:49:30 pm
Hmm. A few observations.

This young chappie has shown little or no remorse or acknowledgment that he's wrong, in spite of the consensus on here and on UKC (thousands of posters).  Indeed, poor wee Callllllum seems to be 'the only one marching in step'.

He has little experience of climbing and seems to be a relative beginner, with all the gear but really, no fucking idea.

He says, discovered somewhere during my stalking earlier, that he could do 6a, probably couild do 6b, possibly could do 6c.... or something. On a post elsewhere, during another stalking episode (!), he says he 'could nearly do all of the moves separately, but couldn't put them together- steep ice is hard"- I am paraphrasing- sorry!.

Reading between the lines Translation- "I can't do 6a, have never been on a 6b and have never even seen a 6c, but I might be able to do them if I can float up on the rising heat from the bonfire of my own fucking vanity!". And... "I fucked about on this ice tunnel for a nano second, so my sycophantic cronies can take shitty pictures to impress all the freshers with in order to feed my own narcissistic tendencies"!

Distorted perception of self. Check.
Refusal to attend to other people's views. Check.
A feeling that people might be talking about you behind your back. Check.

I'd recommend this young man has a good look at...

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv (http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv)

   
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: yorkshirewarcry on December 08, 2010, 03:32:41 pm
Just had a look at Callum's blog - this is fecking priceless:

"4th week - Stanage - ...Got trapped on top of the deliverence boulder after climbing up in the dark and not being able to see the holds to get back down, had to ab off, using Duncan as a convienient anchor on the other side of the boulder."

I definitely don't think the major issue is his use of tools....it's more a question of him BEING a tool.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: JamieG on December 08, 2010, 03:36:32 pm
Haha, I know. Imagine calling it the deliverance boulder! It is clearly 'the pebble'. Some people!  ;)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Nibile on December 08, 2010, 03:56:01 pm
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv (http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv)

a good link indeed, but the test is completely wrong. I did it and it came out I am normal.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: countotto on December 08, 2010, 04:06:54 pm
oh, well done. I only got about seven questions down before I got really angry and cut myself to stop the pain. ;)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Probes on December 08, 2010, 04:36:41 pm
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv (http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv)


ah ive got to send that to my boss, might realise what a twat he is.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: bomb on December 08, 2010, 09:14:18 pm
I have never posted on here, hardly ever read it, and only sometimes when somebody pisses me off enough to get a reaction (which is actually fairly often) post on UKC. I have been utterly gobsmacked at the frankly mixed response to this little prick's actions on UKC and have been wondering what the fuck has happened to climbing in this country when something like this, which is just about an ultimate sin as far as it goes, is greeted with a few angry genuine climbers, but a lukewarm tut tut, and even worse, actual defence from the typical self righteous sanctimonious warbling spineless know it all fuckers that fester on that site. Basically, I'm bloody relieved to see its not just me who is fucking fuming about this, and who will have absolutely zero hesitation in making my feelings known to the little moon faced twat should I ever run him over- sorry, run into him - at the crag. Thank you for restoring somewhat my faith in the climbing community.
Also I have to say the flaming of the two lads who came on here to stick up for Struan is harsh, and I hope that Struan himself has not received any shit, but more than that I hope Struan notes that Calum has not once had the guts or the loyalty to tell the world that it wasn't Struan who was involved. If I was Struan I would be as angry with Calum as any decent climber is right now, just for slightly different reasons.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: petejh on December 08, 2010, 09:57:26 pm
Well said that man.

I can't stand how some of the posters on that ukc thread seem to take the view that people getting angry over something very close to their hearts and expressing that anger is something which is terribly wrong. It's fucking crazy talk from people who have zero vitality or imagination and no trust in the good sense of most people. To paraphrase someone - all it takes for misguided little cunts to drytool grit crags is for people to do nothing.


To make this even more unbelievable - according to Jack Geldard, Calum contacted ukc 2 days before he drytooled at Millstone, asking if ukc would publish a 'big news story' about an ascent he was planning.  Madness, fucking attention craving madness. Surely this is all some messed up prank?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 08, 2010, 10:56:36 pm
And after all that we get this;

source - ukclimbing

I’d like to say that I had no idea that so many folk would be upset by our actions, this was not my intention, and I apologise for this. Mistakes were made. Most of all I regret that ICMC’s highly excellent reputation has been besmirched. They do good work and are great guys.

Cheers
Calum
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: fatdoc on December 08, 2010, 10:58:13 pm
In the cold light of day, I'll admit I've allowed my anger to spill onto people that probably didn't deserve a blasting, for which I apologise.  Humble pie for lunch.

Me too.

Sorry
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 08, 2010, 11:02:57 pm
And after all that we get this;

source - ukclimbing

I’d like to say that I had no idea that so many folk would be upset by our actions, this was not my intention, and I apologise for this. Mistakes were made. Most of all I regret that ICMC’s highly excellent reputation has been besmirched. They do good work and are great guys.

Cheers
Calum


 :-\ so he's sorry people were upset by what he did, not sorry about his actions... well its a start I suppose...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: sberk4 on December 09, 2010, 01:32:32 am
Quote
10
power club / Re: UKB Power Club Week 12 (Mon 26th - Sun 2nd)
« on: May 07, 2010, 10:03:24 pm »
Monday - Ran about
Tuesday - bouldering for couple of hours at westway
Wed - Ran about, almost ended up enjoying it, the sunshine was lovely
Thurs - bouldering at westway
Friday- westway
Sat - Core exercise, always feel good after doing them
Sun - westway, felt good

STG(basically this summer): Continue working to grip handholds as lightly as possible.  Go bouldering outside in london for the first time, do dry tooling bouldering project without falling off and breaking my back. When back in scotland try to onsight firestone, have a look at the hurting,  get over to skye and do some new routes.  When in cham, do joe le taxi, try a new route on the dru, try a nice unclimbed steep ice line that I know of, get on thai boxing, fall off thai boxing.  Explore the argentiere glacier more and do some new routes.

LTG(basically this winter):  Have my eye on two incredible scottish winter lines.  If I can get up one of them, it would be ace.

Exactly how does one go from bouldering in London to onsight soloing E7 and climbing Scottish IX? And while we're on the subject...how does one equate climbing Font 6 slabs with E7? Empty posturing in the gym and on the ground is annoying, but its outdoor consequences are potentially awful (as we have seen here). +1 to what was said about his email.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: RAK Punter on December 09, 2010, 02:32:12 am


Very well said.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Norton Sharley on December 09, 2010, 06:24:45 am
If anyone would like to discuss my post apparently telling WaldoXerxes (sp?) where to go then you're welcome to.  The post was aimed at Callum, only WX posted 3 seconds before me.  In the event I let my post stand because it did, and still does, seem like an appropriate response to both of them.   It is certainly the response they would have got had I found them at Millstone chipping.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Duma on December 09, 2010, 09:41:34 am
Norton, I puntered you for that response. Calum McLellan, who you responded to, isn't the Calum who was dry tooling at Millstone. He posted for the same reason as Waldo - to point out that Adam had named the wrong person as the belayer. This seems fair enough, especially given the angry response this issue has (rightly) evoked, it'd be pretty upsetting to be wrongly accused of being involved. Their posts were entirely clear in this regard, the only possible source of confusion is that Calum McL shares a first name with Calum N. If you missed that I'd say the appropriate response is to apologise.

You seriously think "you can fuck off too" is an appropriate response to two people pointing out that a freind of theirs is being wrongly associated with actions that are evoking such threats?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 09, 2010, 10:47:18 am
to point out that Adam had named the wrong person as the belayer. 

 :spank: I accept my puntering , and admit i made a mistake.


Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: DubDom on December 09, 2010, 11:33:52 am
Reminds me of a Jim Donini quote Yvon Chouinard once recalled at a lecture he gave:-

 " I thought dry tooling was something you did in high school if you didn't have a girlfriend"

Turns out that in this case he might be more correct than even he anticipated - we live in a post ironic age :wall:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: countotto on December 09, 2010, 02:14:49 pm
Is it me? I can't work out whether I'm the only one going grayer and grayer reading through the UKC discussion...

Perhaps it's what happens when you promote 'free speech' AND forget to ask posters to employ self-censorship. I love UKB  because it gives one the freedom to call a 'retard' a 'fucking retard'... on UKC , it seems, any one can say anything no matter how ridiculous (See nearly any post by that utter specious twat Wanko Cockson) and as soon as anyone DARES criticise, the response is 'oooo, leave them alone, don't reveal their identity, did you have permission to show his/her photo, he's just a poor wee lad who doesn't know any better'... they make me fucking sick.

If I'd caught the twat red-handed, who'd drilled three expansion bolts into the top of Chevin Buttress in the late eighties-early nineties, I would have intervened verbally, then I would have taken direct action to stop them or make their work so inconvenient as to be impossible/impractical. I am aware that this is confrontational. I believe that confrontation is distasteful though it may be unavoidable. I doubt whether I would have come to blows- I'm too much of wimp!

IS UKC populated entirely by fuckwits who think that every ethical issue in climbing can be discussed without proper reference to the history and development of British Climbing, or to the feelings and views of British Climbers.

Are these tosspots unaware that relativism is NOT the only position upon which to base an argument?

Do they not understand that one 'opinion' is NOT as good as any other, and it is usual to support statements with facts?

Do they imagine that their pathetic little exploits on Boreby Crag in Whine and Tear give them the right to assume that anyone who disagrees with their so-called "modern approach" is an old school buffoon who should be euthanised asap?

And finally, for UKC to claim that they represent British Climbers in ANY meaningful sense is as hilarious as it is undemonstrable. The willful ignorance celebrated by some of these acne-faced milksops who post to UKC has become almost fetished and bears no similarity to what most crag users would probably say.

Think I'd better stop now- I'm starting to feel the effects of my own poison!

Otto
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Franco on December 09, 2010, 02:40:02 pm
That still makes him a tit though.

Why does that make me a tit?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Franco on December 09, 2010, 02:45:50 pm
PS. have a vote on the recent millstone news on http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/ (http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 09, 2010, 03:06:23 pm
That still makes him a tit though.

Why does that make me a tit?

Not sure why I'm bothering but it makes you a tit because "playing devils advocate" in a black and white case where somebody has behaved disgracefully is neither clever nor helpful.

As if the borg need any help in making a cut and dry situation messy and ludicrous. Pretending to agree for the sake of winding people up is as tittish as actually agreeing.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Franco on December 09, 2010, 03:12:35 pm
I wasn't agreeing with dry tooling at millstone. I was trying to get people to justify their position, which they couldn't do, as their position was daft.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Franco on December 09, 2010, 03:16:44 pm
Also, don't spread shit about me saying it's acceptable to steal QDs. I said I didn't know the difference between crag swag and gear left by people working routes. A fair mistake considering I grew up in an area with zero sport.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: account_inactive on December 09, 2010, 03:18:38 pm
Fuck off back to UKC please
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Franco on December 09, 2010, 03:23:52 pm
I wonder if you have balls when not on the internet?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Probes on December 09, 2010, 03:33:49 pm
Sorry what is the fucking point of that poll on your blog?

Probes
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 09, 2010, 03:35:06 pm
Also, don't spread shit about me saying it's acceptable to steal QDs. I said I didn't know the difference between crag swag and gear left by people working routes. A fair mistake considering I grew up in an area with zero sport.

It wasn't a fair mistake and I am not "spreading shit". I could go on but I'm not getting into this again:

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,10781.msg181209.html#msg181209 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,10781.msg181209.html#msg181209)

The case is closed.

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=ownkarma;u=2993 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=ownkarma;u=2993)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Probes on December 09, 2010, 03:38:56 pm
PS. have a vote on the recent millstone news on http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/ (http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/)

If you have any sense lad id take that down!

Is it ok to putt on the 18th with a fucking shovel? No.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: JamieG on December 09, 2010, 03:44:42 pm
I wonder if you have balls when not on the internet?

I remember when i was younger i used to sometimes argue for the sake of it. Can be good fun, winding people up. I tend to look back now and hang my head for being so stupid and pedantic. Luckily i didn't record all my ridiculousness on the internet for future reference.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: andy_e on December 09, 2010, 03:46:32 pm
I wonder if you have balls when not on the internet?

They say sticks and stones will break your bones but the nine millimetre, it will bore your dome.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 09, 2010, 03:49:58 pm
We seem to be collecting classic Pot/Kettle quotes recently don't we.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: andy_e on December 09, 2010, 03:55:38 pm
Note to self, listen to less hip-hop.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: countotto on December 09, 2010, 03:57:55 pm
I wonder if you have balls when not on the internet?

I remember when i was younger i used to sometimes argue for the sake of it. Can be good fun, winding people up. I tend to look back now and hang my head for being so stupid and pedantic. Luckily i didn't record all my ridiculousness on the internet for future reference.


:agree:

The survey's pretty funny... not as funny as Wanko's assertion that the results will mean anything whatsoever. I'm sending him a copy of Oppenheimer's Attitude Measurement!

 :wank:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 09, 2010, 04:05:50 pm
Sorry I should have qualified my last post for the hard of thinking. I meant Franco's "balls" quote. The ultimate keyboard warrior calling Dylan a keyboard warrior. Nearly as good as jcm's recent "smug and superior" effort.

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/baddette/pot-kettle-black.jpg)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: willackers on December 09, 2010, 04:06:36 pm
PS. have a vote on the recent millstone news on http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/ (http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/)

WTF?

What a stupid question, yes it is wrong and the same goes for any other gritstone venue!
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 09, 2010, 04:50:50 pm
I wasn't agreeing with dry tooling at millstone. I was trying to get people to justify their position, which they couldn't do, as their position was daft.

You were pretending to agree then, which is exactly what playing the devil's advocate means.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Franco on December 09, 2010, 04:53:30 pm


Find a quote of me agreeing that drytooling on Millstone was a good idea?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 09, 2010, 04:56:31 pm
Must I? You know damned well you were playing the devil's a.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 09, 2010, 04:59:28 pm
Very well, excuse the not hyperlinking, but it will all be in your UKC profile

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If it's not I don't really see a massive problem.

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The UKC pictures show millstone to be in condition, so as long as care is taken, fair enough really.

Now do us a favour and piss off.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Probes on December 09, 2010, 05:02:59 pm
Whether you said it or not Franco, you are asking people to decide whether they think its right? When it isnt.

People new to climbing who dont understand the ethics, origins, how we got to where we are now and what is essentially good practice need to be guided and given clarification, otherwise fools like Calum turn up and fuck things up, as does the person whos scratched the hell out a quarry up the road from me.

What your doing is confusing matters more by even just opening it up to questioning.

Cee comprende

Stop being a dick.

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: petejh on December 09, 2010, 05:43:48 pm
Ah... just as we were talking of attention craving cunts:

Franco pops up right on cue.

have a look on my blog...


I'd rather stick needles in my eyes.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: countotto on December 09, 2010, 05:55:38 pm
No... go on... it's fucking hilarious!  :lol:

(pretend you are at an illustrated first aid course and look at it out of the corner of your eye at first, then you won't be caught unawares by anything too nauseating!)

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: rich d on December 09, 2010, 06:08:36 pm


Find a quote of me agreeing that drytooling on Millstone was a good idea?



I agree that drytooling on Millstone was a good idea.

There you go, now fuck off back to UKC   :wank:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: erm, sam on December 09, 2010, 06:18:19 pm
Any chance of this thread becoming the 3rd tedious slagging match between "UKC and UKB" to be logpiled?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: erm, sam on December 09, 2010, 06:18:58 pm
You beat me to it.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Franco on December 09, 2010, 06:21:29 pm
I don't understand how making up quotes is funny.

The thread on UKC has shown the errors of people just believing things for the sake of it. Come up with arguments or shut up.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: countotto on December 09, 2010, 06:46:31 pm
I don't understand how making up quotes is funny.

The thread on UKC has shown the errors of people just believing things for the sake of it. Come up with arguments or shut up.

You really are serious aren't you!? Don't you have a sense of irony??

...ah...

shit! Doh. Suckered by an annoying little troll. Good one!  ;)

Thank you for reminding me how utterly vacuous and pointless your posts can be.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 09, 2010, 07:41:54 pm
Callum Mcleland and other person who posted in defence of Struan.. Sorry for saying you were trolling - I didnt realise you were a different Callum (I dont read UKC) and understand (& respsect) that you were sticking up for an innocent mate.

I mistook by the tone of your post - (and your tone was probably justifiable given the slating Struan might have got on the other channel) that you were trying to stir things up.

AndyE. A request for more talk from the suburbs da Ghetto please... most amusing  :)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 09, 2010, 07:47:51 pm
Also, don't spread shit about me saying it's acceptable to steal QDs. I said I didn't know the difference between crag swag and gear left by people working routes. A fair mistake considering I grew up in an area with zero sport.

Franco, if you look here (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2993) you can review your posts that clearly demonstrate you thought stealing quickdraws is OK.  Your flippant replies saying you thought that theft was fine caused some irritation at the time, quite rightly.

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I said I didn't know the difference between crag swag and gear left by people working routes

Nope, you said:
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I don't really see what's wrong with that.

tc asked you to clarify:
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With what? Stealing quick draws or going to the Tor?

and you said:
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either really.

Now tell me how the fuck that says anything other than "Franco though it was fine to steal people's gear"?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 09, 2010, 07:58:23 pm
Find a quote of me agreeing that drytooling on Millstone was a good idea?

Holy mother of fuck!!  What is this:

Quote from: Franco link=http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=436389&v=1#x6149167
by - Franco Cookson ? on - 18:29 Sun
In reply to Gareth H:

I reckon it's a troll. Good one if it is though. Bon effort and obviously some time went into it (although that chap does seem to have deleted his profile...)

If it's not I don't really see a massive problem. The main one being that they were top roping, which i'd have a problem with if they were in rock boots. The UKC pictures show millstone to be in condition, so as long as care is taken, fair enough really.

Shit the bed, it's Franco saying "dry tooling at Millstone is not a problem".  Oh, and also that "dry tooling at Millstone is fair enough really".

Franco, you really need to ensure that you didn't say something before you come here and slag people for saying you said it.  Because you clearly said these things, and then give abuse and claim it's all made up and slanderous.

Which in my book makes you a prime fucking tit.  Now, please take your whining bullshit elsewhere.


{you are lucky I'm being restrained after making a right twat of myself last night, or I may have said something nasty}
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: andy_e on December 09, 2010, 08:14:57 pm
AndyE. A request for more talk from the suburbs da Ghetto please... most amusing  :)

Um, I can't risk it... (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,12037.msg290194.html#msg290194)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 09, 2010, 09:23:53 pm
I don't understand how making up quotes is funny.


Are you now denying that you said those things?

Get real you deluded twat, they are there for all who can be bothered to see.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Probes on December 09, 2010, 09:29:36 pm
Jesus i take back what i said earlier, i thought i was talking to someone with some intelligence, or at least understood a thing or 2 about climbing.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jim on December 09, 2010, 09:53:51 pm
I wonder if you have balls when not on the internet?
Dylan would quite happily beat you to death with his robot legs as well as slag you off on the interweb.

I don't know you (I hope) but on the interweb, you come across as being a total and utter dick head and have made, if anything a negative contribution towards this problem. Fuck off
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Baron on December 09, 2010, 09:58:43 pm
You're a brave man calling Dylan out. Or an idiot.

Oh...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: hairich on December 09, 2010, 10:23:51 pm
i will take dylan out
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: hairich on December 09, 2010, 10:37:57 pm
sorry that came out wrong.

anyone who thinks that dry tooling on grit is ok , i will happily meet you in the peak and cut your fucking ropes myself

 
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Baron on December 09, 2010, 10:42:30 pm
Uncledirty outs Dylog!
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: account_inactive on December 09, 2010, 10:43:21 pm
i will take dylan out
Sorry Rich I'm taken
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Carnage on December 09, 2010, 10:49:46 pm
You're a brave man calling Dylan out. Or an idiot.

Oh...

Nah - He's a pussycat really.  :-*
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Paul B on December 09, 2010, 11:45:37 pm
There's a pic up (OCF for the geeks among us) on UKC of it 'in condition' i.e. someone soloing it
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 10, 2010, 12:23:56 am
I wonder if you have balls when not on the internet?

I'm almost a pixie

Picking on pixies is neither big nor clever.

However...

Quote from: The Bondage Fairies
Pixies are well known for the enormous size of their balls (relatively speaking)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: grumpycrumpy on December 10, 2010, 07:32:50 am
I always thought Moth balls were the biggest , relatively speaking ......
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Snoops on December 10, 2010, 09:42:56 am
PS. have a vote on the recent millstone news on http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/ (http://francocookson-climbing.blogspot.com/)

(http://www.filmjackets.com/FILM_JACKETS/FERRISBUELLER/FerrisBueller-007.jpg)

It's understanding that makes it possible for people like us to tolerate a person like yourself
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 10, 2010, 10:00:01 am
I wonder if you have balls when not on the internet?
Dylan would quite happily beat you to death with his robot legs as well as slag you off on the interweb.

I don't know you (I hope) but on the interweb, you come across as being a total and utter dick head and have made, if anything a negative contribution towards this problem. Fuck off

Go on Franco, have a pop at Jim too. He's really small and weak.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: nik at work on December 10, 2010, 05:37:38 pm
I'm small, you can pick on me.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Paul B on December 10, 2010, 05:57:19 pm
Go on Franco, have a pop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-zqloFqhT4)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Krank on December 10, 2010, 06:15:49 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Norton Sharley on December 10, 2010, 07:26:54 pm
Norton, I puntered you for that response. Calum McLellan, who you responded to, isn't the Calum who was dry tooling at Millstone. He posted for the same reason as Waldo - to point out that Adam had named the wrong person as the belayer. This seems fair enough, especially given the angry response this issue has (rightly) evoked, it'd be pretty upsetting to be wrongly accused of being involved. Their posts were entirely clear in this regard, the only possible source of confusion is that Calum McL shares a first name with Calum N. If you missed that I'd say the appropriate response is to apologise.

You seriously think "you can fuck off too" is an appropriate response to two people pointing out that a freind of theirs is being wrongly associated with actions that are evoking such threats?

You're right.  I'm wrong.  I apologise.  I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: fatdoc on December 10, 2010, 07:28:46 pm
the first one hurts,  eh?
 ;)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: GCW on December 10, 2010, 07:32:07 pm
When you get to 18 you're just thankful for Andi_e and Franco, it'd take some work to catch up :lol:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: chummer on December 10, 2010, 07:47:00 pm
one more in support of the motion: "piss off somewhere else please Franco"








Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: fatdoc on December 10, 2010, 08:03:46 pm
When you get to 18 you're just thankful for Andi_e and Franco, it'd take some work to catch up :lol:

Why, is it legal then?
 :shag:
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Falling Down on December 10, 2010, 08:39:23 pm
I'm glad the Internet, text messages and voicemail didn't exist when I was a teenager. 

Yes, Franco can be, and is, at times a total dick but I'd also like to see some restraint in the responses as it just seems a bit OTT to be venting on a child.

(Howzat for smug and superior??)
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: tomtom on December 10, 2010, 08:44:36 pm
I'm glad the Internet, text messages and voicemail didn't exist when I was a teenager. 

Yes, Franco can be, and is, at times a total dick but I'd also like to see some restraint in the responses as it just seems a bit OTT to be venting on only a child.

(Howzat for smug and superior??)

Thats better, a bit more smug  ;D
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: fatdoc on December 10, 2010, 09:29:08 pm
I'm glad the Internet, text messages and voicemail didn't exist when I was a teenager. 

Yes, Franco can be, and is, at times a total dick but I'd also like to see some restraint in the responses as it just seems a bit OTT to be venting on a child.

(Howzat for smug and superior??)

NOw that is certainly not legal
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Moo on December 10, 2010, 10:30:21 pm
awww come on guys just think how dull the forum would be without him, can't we keep him pleeeeeeeeeeeeease?
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: fatdoc on December 10, 2010, 11:22:47 pm
as long as you don't feed him after midnight, or get him wet

Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: SA Chris on December 11, 2010, 09:01:26 am
Yes, Franco can be, and is, at times a total dick but I'd also like to see some restraint in the responses as it just seems a bit OTT to be venting on a child.


According to his profile, he's 19. Allowed to vote and drink. Mind of a child possibly.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Johnny Brown on December 11, 2010, 09:20:31 am
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Yes, Franco can be, and is, at times a total dick but I'd also like to see some restraint in the responses as it just seems a bit OTT to be venting on a child.

Especially when he's making a valid point. Not all of us had the luxury of growing up in a tight climbing scene where 'its just fucking wrong okay' is seen as a decent argument.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Falling Down on December 11, 2010, 10:18:12 am
Exactly
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: countotto on December 11, 2010, 02:38:40 pm
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Yes, Franco can be, and is, at times a total dick but I'd also like to see some restraint in the responses as it just seems a bit OTT to be venting on a child.

Especially when he's making a valid point. Not all of us had the luxury of growing up in a tight climbing scene where 'its just fucking wrong okay' is seen as a decent argument.

Ok fair enough. I suppose restraint is called for, from those of us who know better. ... ... but the thing that really fried my noggin' is that  he seems not just blissfully, but willfully ignorant of the historical development of climbing and ethics that has led us to where we are in the UK. What's worse is that he seems to think it's ok to pick over the bones of fatuous and hackneyed questions that were resolved yonks ago- if only he wasn't too fucking LAZY to go and do some reading on the matter, and maybe a little bit of thinking. He might then understand some of the reasons why we no longer peg our way up London Wall, Coventry Street, Wellington Crack, Dateline,  etc and through simple extrapolation, apply this learning to guide his and others' behaviour. And his attitude seems to be that it's everyone else's responsibility to spend their time justifying to him and his rat boy clan and convince them of why they shouldn't do something that pisses off nearly every other poster, rather than him having the humility (humble in the face of 120 or so years of British climbing) to justify why it's acceptable to wind the clock back fifty years!

Furthermore, his posing of questions, some of which appearto be fair-minded and evidence-based, actually function to re-present resolved ethical issues as problems and therefore open to scrutiny, when the response on Cocktalk etc demonstrates that the consensus is that users are against DT at Millstone (or pegging, or bolting, or aiding, or hobnailing, or chipping, or wire-brushing, or any-fucking-thing that is likely to damage the rock for the future participation in rock climbing by the majority). Given that Forums on that site have a large number of climbing newbies looking for advice I don't think it's a good idea to allow rat-boys like this to post this sort of malicious nonsense without a stern challenge from the wise, here or anywhere else. He receives a variety of responses, some more strident than others, and long may we continue to do battle against the forces of utter pig-ignorance.

...in short, he's a malicious, ignorant gobshite whose agenda, such as it is, is self-publicity. Given that, losing patience with the obtuse little piece of shit and telling him to fuck off back to UKC may be quite an understandable response.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: nik at work on December 11, 2010, 04:00:23 pm
Especially when he's making a valid point. Not all of us had the luxury of growing up in a tight climbing scene where 'its just fucking wrong okay' is seen as a decent argument.
Fair point but he does seem to have been part of a scene to enough of an extent to develop a keen sense of the "rightness" of onsight/ground-up rather than top-roping. Surely this is equally (if not more so) explained as "it's just fucking wrong okay".
He appears to have set out to deliberately shit stir, both here and on the other channel. Does he deserve the responses he's had? Well I think I'd generally err on a more restrained course (or no response at all) but maybe I'm a big (little) softy...
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Falling Down on December 11, 2010, 04:32:40 pm
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Yes, Franco can be, and is, at times a total dick but I'd also like to see some restraint in the responses as it just seems a bit OTT to be venting on a child.

Especially when he's making a valid point. Not all of us had the luxury of growing up in a tight climbing scene where 'its just fucking wrong okay' is seen as a decent argument.

Ok fair enough. I suppose restraint is called for, from those of us who know better. ... ... but the thing that really fried my noggin' is that  he seems not just blissfully, but willfully ignorant of the historical development of climbing and ethics that has led us to where we are in the UK.

Good answer.  I think the internet and blogging activities of famous and not so famous climbers is partly to blame.  Franco, if you're reading this, take note of what Otto has written.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 12, 2010, 08:31:41 pm
Think you're right FD but there's still no excuse for blatant cuntishness. Once again do I have to cite the fact that Ondra, Ty etc are under 20 and at under 16 "got it". Surely access to the internet should improve your knowlegde not be an excuse for you to make more of a TIT of yourself by being completely ignorant.

Wankers are wankers and age is no excuse.
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: chummer on December 13, 2010, 12:56:12 pm
my comment may have been a little bullyish but I really can't be fucked with folk coming on here who must know their assumed and self declared ignorance will wind people up by playing Devils advocate. Best served on the other channel if you ask me.


I'm not even sure any of that even made sense...


Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Moo on December 15, 2010, 07:03:00 pm
what jasper said, but if we scare franco off we might miss out on another si o'connor come on guys think of the future
Title: Re: Axes out at Millstone?!?!?!
Post by: Sloper on December 15, 2010, 08:47:15 pm
Look if this was a huge troll I actually think that a few scratches at the mebankment is a price well worth paying for such a well conceived and beautifully executed piece of, well, art.

Otherwise they're just cvnts.
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