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for sale / wanted / Re: UKB Freecycle
« Last post by Droyd on Today at 02:50:37 pm »
I have an absolutely disgusting Saturn that I keep meaning to take to the tip, but am posting here in case anyone out there has incredibly low standards.

The foam is useless, the cover is ripped, and at some point a while back one of my cats decided to use it instead of the litter tray.

Free to a good/anosmic home if someone wants to collect it from Sheffield, but not holding my breath (or I am, but only because it stinks).
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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners
« Last post by duncan on Today at 02:46:26 pm »
This might be an appropriate point to cite the infamous study on charity skydiving which found the small number of expensive injuries meant the activity cost the NHS £14 for every £1 raised!

Conversely, for many years l led physiotherapy support for London marathon runners fundraising for Versus Arthritis. I really enjoyed volunteering, they had funded some of my research, it was a great experience for the students, the runners were very appreciative (especially the 5+ hours folk), and Versus Arthritis valued the considerable funds raised directly and also the awareness-raising. I spoke with 100s of participants and, much like T_B and SA Chris, motivations were nearly always two-fold: both a personal challenge and the opportunity to raise money for a cause close to their heart.
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chuffing / Re: Historical Nuggets
« Last post by jwi on Today at 02:26:07 pm »
I thought I saw a reference somewhere to Burn Out at Apremont being the first 7B+ in the forest, did I imagine this or is it true?

I quickly checked wikipedia ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_d%27escalade_de_Fontainebleau ) and I like that they only list the first for every full lettergrade (except Surplomb de la Mée), so no luck there!
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chuffing / Re: Historical Nuggets
« Last post by slab_happy on Today at 02:20:10 pm »
Bit of a niche one, but don't suppose anyone has a copy of Pat Aments 2009 film 'The Disciples of Gill'?

Yes, I do! Delayed reply because I had to locate it and retrieve it -- didn't want to make any promises until I knew I could actually lay hands on it. Do you want to borrow/copy it?
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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners
« Last post by lukeyboy on Today at 01:27:49 pm »
I hope it didn't come across as judging anyone for their motivations - that wasn't my intention and apologies if so.

Obviously I'm fully supportive of raising money for deserving charities and it's a great thing to do.

Just my personal view and experience on charity fundraising, with an interest in having my perspective challenged or hearing others experiences.
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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by Tony on Today at 01:20:45 pm »
There are always opportunistic people with unsavoury/offensive/illegal views
Sorry to be pedantic here, but I’m pretty sure it is (currently..) legal to hold any view, just not always to publically write or say it , or make stickers
It was shorthand but since you seem to have understood the  point being made I think I need not add more.

FYI: it is illegal to incite hatred and there all sorts of public order offences around protests, and various civil matters around defamation, slander, etc, etc, etc
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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by mark20 on Today at 01:15:42 pm »
There are always opportunistic people with unsavoury/offensive/illegal views
Sorry to be pedantic here, but I’m pretty sure it is (currently..) legal to hold any view, just not always to publically write or say it , or make stickers
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diet, training and injuries / Re: One for the runners
« Last post by SA Chris on Today at 01:11:52 pm »
For me it wasn't a case of needing to raise money or it motivating me to do it, I just saw it as an opportunity to help an organisation that I strongly believe in (as did my gran who voluntarily manned the RNLI lifeboat shop until her mid 90s and died not long before i ran the race). Other people have other motivations. Do what you feel is right for you, but don't judge others on their motivations for challenging themselves.
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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by Oldmanmatt on Today at 01:06:50 pm »
I think maybe Mike's point is that even Jews who are out protesting against the war in Gaza don't feel safe if they don't join in with things like, say, "from the river to the sea..." (I certainly wouldn't join in with that; I'm not Jewish).

My brother lives in London and some people were celebrating in the streets in the wake of 7th October. He's also shared some graffiti that appeared in his local park: a spray-painted star of David with the word "scum" underneath.
Even pre-7th Oct in 2021 I had to report some stickers that had appeared in suburban West Yorkshire. A load of mad conspiracy shit, including one of the star of David and the words "Britain Is Under Occupation".

I’m fucking done with extremists of all stripes.
Protesting or fighting for basic freedoms and simple human rights? Crack on, I’m with you.
Rosa, wasn’t advocating the genocide or oppression of others, only the obvious injustice of segregation. Aka, protesting for basic human rights and freedoms.
Any right minded person can see the Oct 7th was wrong, just as the same person should see the subsequent response in the same light.
I work with a Palestinian who is ardently anti-Hummus (for the Google bots, I think he enjoys crushed Chickpeas). I know plenty of Muslims who are passionately anti-religious extremism, despite being devout.
Aside: I traveled to Amsterdam last Nov with an Egyptian friend, who became vocal and (frankly) embarrassingly confrontational, with some Dutch Muslims at immigration, because of how they were dressed and their obviously strict attitude to Islam. Arguing with them about whether theirs was a true interpretation of the Koran. Then endured a long rant about how “these people” discredit his entire religion and the people of the middle East in the taxi to our hotel.
I’ve heard all kinds of different opinions from Muslims regarding Israel and Palestine. Many that surprised me.
There is obviously a huge difference between various groups of Israelis, with the current situation massively protested there.
I’m becoming an anti-extremist, extremist…
(That’s a weak joke, not an actual position).
Fed up with idiots who think extreme acts will solve anything. They just make things worse and make resolution a pipe dream and the lives of ordinary people miserable.
Ultimately, idiots who provoke confrontation are just handing ammunition to those who would like to see all forms of protest eliminated. I absolutely draw a line between legitimate protest against injustice and advocating for discrimination or violence against A.N.Other group.


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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest
« Last post by Tony on Today at 01:06:37 pm »
I think maybe Mike's point is…

I think your and Mike’s points both conflate legitimate peaceful protest with bigoted and/or antisemitic behaviour.

There are always opportunistic people with unsavoury/offensive/illegal views who will try pervert a legitimate movement. These people don’t disappear by banning protests. You also have to weigh up the pros and cons of banning protests. It’s a pretty slippery slope to authoritarianism.

I would also highlight the very small number of arrests made at these protests relative to the number of protesters. (There are arguments that there have been too few arrests but, even multiplying by 10 is still small numbers.)
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