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Title: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Percy B on November 28, 2012, 07:18:56 pm
There's a lovely little video on 8a.nu called Vastervik Bouldering. Check out Carlo Traversi blow-torching holds around the 26.30 mark. I would post a photo but I don't have a clue of how to do it.

Needless to say - what a wanker. Does climbing hard blocs mean you don't have to worry about fucking the rock up for others? Or is it OK because the rock your trashing isn't in the US of A so you're not worried? What a great role-model........the stunted, buffant retard
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: saltbeef on November 28, 2012, 07:34:55 pm
wow brilliant. hopefully all the young punks will do the same.
(apparently he doesn't actually like traversing)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: 205Chris on November 28, 2012, 07:56:13 pm
Punter away (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=7795)
Title: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Stu Littlefair on November 28, 2012, 08:02:16 pm
Blowtorching? Have we travelled back to the nineties and no-one told me?

Actually, that would explain why people are grumbling about kneepads I suppose.

What a knob Traversi is. Everyone knows tampons work better anyway.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Johnny Brown on November 28, 2012, 08:08:29 pm
Or tinfoil obvs.

Cure for a Wet Hold on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/50296693)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: a dense loner on November 28, 2012, 08:11:07 pm
That's criminal, people don't think the same tho. Why someone would put it in a bouldering film is beyond me, but most things are
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: mikester on November 28, 2012, 08:19:38 pm
Quote from his website 'testament': "Carlo embodies the modern bouldering ideal dick"
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Paul B on November 28, 2012, 09:03:11 pm
He popped up here pretty fast last time people were giving him crap. Googling himself perhaps?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: fatdoc on November 28, 2012, 09:50:40 pm
Blowtorching? Have we travelled back to the nineties and no-one told me?

Actually, that would explain why people are grumbling about kneepads I suppose.

What a knob Traversi is. Everyone knows tampons work better anyway.

Fuckin rite Stu...

FFS....
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: dave on November 28, 2012, 10:03:10 pm
Vastervik Bouldering on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/52712636)

What's worse is he's using kneebars too.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: GraemeA on November 28, 2012, 10:06:07 pm
Webiste is http://carlotraversi.com/category/blog/ (http://carlotraversi.com/category/blog/), feel free to give him shit
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: mrjonathanr on November 28, 2012, 10:25:32 pm
He popped up here pretty fast last time people were giving him crap. Googling himself perhaps?

No. I left a comment on his blog asking if his sponsors found rape jokes funny too. And a link to the UKB thread. To his credit, he did respond promptly.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on November 28, 2012, 10:30:30 pm
I see tick marks too.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: leeroy on November 28, 2012, 10:46:07 pm
I see tick marks too.

hardly on the same level really is it?

i saw this video a bit ago and thought it seemed a bit extreme, assumed it might be local practice, perhaps not. even if it is acceptable on a local level it seems entirely stupid having it on the net.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 28, 2012, 10:49:31 pm
I see tick marks too.

thankfully they can be washed off easily.

I saw the blue touching on a trailer for that and left s comment questioning it in the video itself. Not checked if there is a response yet though (and currently on my phone so to lazy to check).
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 28, 2012, 10:54:58 pm
Blue touching?!
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on November 28, 2012, 10:55:59 pm
Reckon they could do a video of a famous climber being jumped by a random animal for blowtorching holds like the gorilla video? Should be a series of them...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: leeroy on November 28, 2012, 11:09:20 pm
left s comment questioning it in the video itself. Not checked if there is a response yet though (and currently on my phone so to lazy to check).

no response that i can see.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 28, 2012, 11:10:37 pm
Blue touching?!


:oops: forgot to check the predictive text.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 28, 2012, 11:18:17 pm
Admitting to viewing a blue touching video is no shame  ;D
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 28, 2012, 11:41:56 pm
 :slap:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Jaspersharpe on November 29, 2012, 12:32:33 pm
He doesn't do himself any favours does he. What a choad.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: GraemeA on November 29, 2012, 12:52:58 pm
And he deletes adverse comments on his website
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Nibile on November 29, 2012, 01:09:47 pm
I posted a comment on Vimeo and encourage others to do so. It's important, I don't want that climbers start thinking that it's a brave and humble behaviour.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: schloosh on November 29, 2012, 02:39:46 pm
I've commented on the video.
Shameful behaviour
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on November 29, 2012, 02:54:40 pm
Reckon they could do a video of a famous climber being jumped by a random animal for blowtorching holds like the gorilla video? Should be a series of them...

Or a gorilla jumping a famous climber and then getting medieval on him with a blowtorch. I can nominate a few.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on November 29, 2012, 03:24:03 pm
 :agree:  :popcorn: id watch that...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: mendis on November 29, 2012, 03:51:02 pm
The comments on vimeo make for good reading! Made me chuckle anyway, think Carlo will be locking his doors at night from now on, looks like there is a lynch mob forming online.  :chair:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: mark s on November 29, 2012, 05:54:19 pm
Punter away (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=7795)

done
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SpanishJuan on November 29, 2012, 06:30:06 pm
I'm fucking hopeless at posting I am however very disappointed to see people that do this (http://s745.beta.photobucket.com/user/SpanishJuan/media/End%20Of%20Bells/2635.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)..
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on November 29, 2012, 08:30:07 pm
He deserves a flaming (sorry)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 29, 2012, 08:40:04 pm
I'm fucking hopeless at posting I am however very disappointed to see people that do this (http://s745.beta.photobucket.com/user/SpanishJuan/media/End%20Of%20Bells/2635.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)..

(http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx92/SpanishJuan/End%20Of%20Bells/2635.jpg)

On that particular site there is a handy list on the right of the picture, simply click on the text next to "IMG code" and it copies the code for embedding it to your clipboard, then when you're back on the UKB tab ready to paste it in, position the cursor and press 'Ctrl +v' et voila
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Grubes on November 29, 2012, 09:16:54 pm
hmm all comments on the blow torching deleted
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: ali k on November 29, 2012, 09:43:36 pm
Still possible to keep posting comments until they get the idea though...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: rosmat on November 29, 2012, 09:44:46 pm
Dick
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: GraemeA on November 29, 2012, 09:49:59 pm
Keep posting - just put something on 8a.poo about the deleting/air brushing.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on November 30, 2012, 06:21:23 am
looks to be leaving comments on vimeo

Quote from: Bearcam Media
I don't condone any of the blow torching and I can in no way be held responsible for the actions in the video, I was there to document and did not encourage the torching.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Nibile on November 30, 2012, 07:12:34 am
I sent a couple of emails to Planetmountain.com and other climbing websites to report the video and the censorship.
I'm really pissed and would like to contact Five Ten to let them know who they sponsor.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Dr T on November 30, 2012, 07:26:20 am
have left a couple of comments for the access gorilla..
https://vimeo.com/48602838# (https://vimeo.com/48602838#)
http://lt11.com/2012/10/26/chris-schulte-stashes-pads/ (http://lt11.com/2012/10/26/chris-schulte-stashes-pads/)
 - see comments...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 30, 2012, 07:46:15 am
In case its deleted like other comments heres what I just posted...

Huh, where did my question about the blow-torching go?

The "I'm just the messenger" argument you are trying to use above is poor because as the 'messenger' in this instance you do have a responsibility to portray to viewers how to treat the rock that we all climb on and share.  How many who don't know any better will have seen the blow-torching and thought to themselves "Hey, now theres a way I can dry my project/problem quickly after its wet", thus in turn increasing the damage that is done to the rock.

Traversi should have known better in the first place and not used a blow-torch, but you should also have thought about the consequences of posting a video showing him doing it.

We'll have to ask the Access Fund to make another video for their series, this time about blow-torching....

Stashing Pads - https://vimeo.com/48602838

Crapping at Crags - https://vimeo.com/48603987

Littering at Crags - https://vimeo.com/48602840

Tick Marks - https://vimeo.com/48602839

Blowtorching - [COMING SOON]
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on November 30, 2012, 08:31:49 am
Carlo ConTraversi strikes again. Commented on Bearcam's post to ask why he left it in if he doesn't condone it.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: a dense loner on November 30, 2012, 08:53:44 am
What? Nice one andi, I've just sent an email to bbc news asking why they've put a piece in about Internet cut-offs in Syria. Asking whether they condone it. Why don't people bombard all carlo's sponsors instead of sending them to his website? I'm sure if I had a website and people started saying nice things about me I'd get rid of them sharpish too
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on November 30, 2012, 09:14:21 am
Because Carlo wasn't the one who edited the blow-torching in to the video? The BBC neither condones nor does not condone Syrian atrocities, they are impartial and unbiased, whereas Bearcam Media are saying they take a stance against it yet including it in their videos.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Stubbs on November 30, 2012, 09:24:20 am
From here http://climbingnarc.com/videos/vastervik-bouldering/#comments (http://climbingnarc.com/videos/vastervik-bouldering/#comments)

Quote
It’s not uncommon in Sweden to use a blowtorch to dry holds (the weather this year has been the worst for many years) and, as far as I know, not something that’s frowned upon here.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Fiend on November 30, 2012, 09:51:04 am
I'm sure if I had a website and people started saying nice things about me

This is not likely to happen tho is it  :)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 30, 2012, 10:13:44 am
I've just asked him on Twitter why he was doing it....

@CarloTraversi

at least one of his sponsors is on there too @5Ten
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: cofe on November 30, 2012, 10:59:48 am
Quote from: Bearcam Media
I don't condone any of the blow torching and I can in no way be held responsible for the actions in the video, I was there to document and did not encourage the torching.

Well that's a lame cop out.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on November 30, 2012, 11:43:31 am
It is. "not encouraging" is a long way from telling him not to fucking do it.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on November 30, 2012, 11:46:06 am
And now he's replying to all the comments in a sarky and dismissive manner. What a paragon of humanity.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 30, 2012, 11:46:55 am
The "I'm just the messenger" argument you are trying to use above is poor because as the 'messenger' in this instance you do have a responsibility to portray to viewers how to treat the rock that we all climb on and share.  How many who don't know any better will have seen the blow-torching and thought to themselves "Hey, now theres a way I can dry my project/problem quickly after its wet", thus in turn increasing the damage that is done to the rock.

Traversi should have known better in the first place and not used a blow-torch, but you should also have thought about the consequences of posting a video showing him doing it.

I've spelt it out for them as they clearly don't understand.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: shark on November 30, 2012, 01:10:18 pm
Facebook page says he's arrived in London.

What's he here for ?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: jwi on November 30, 2012, 01:11:58 pm
Blow torching is generally tolerated in Sweden.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: webbo on November 30, 2012, 01:13:20 pm
Facebook page says he's arrived in London.

What's he here for ?

He will be looking to use that torch on all you twats that have had a go at him. :lol:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on November 30, 2012, 01:27:38 pm
Blow torching is generally tolerated in Sweden.

But is it a good idea?

The heating/cooling surely results in expansion/contraction of the rock which will weaken it.

The videos I've seen show the place to be very picturesque with some nice boulders, it would be a shame if they were trashed this way.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on November 30, 2012, 01:30:55 pm
I could post up some SCIENCE which says exactly why blow-torching is a bad idea but I'm not sure if it's worth it, slackline's explanation suffices to the layman.
Title: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: tomtom on November 30, 2012, 01:31:56 pm
Indeed , heating and cooling (especially rapidly and by unusual levels of temp) will just speed up weathering.. ESP depending on rock type.

Seems like just a way of trying to get good conditions - when they're not. An alternative to the tampon method ;) but more ahem, invasive ;)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on November 30, 2012, 01:33:26 pm
There's also pore pressure effects but it's all very  :yawn:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SpanishJuan on November 30, 2012, 01:49:49 pm
Indeed , heating and cooling (especially rapidly and by unusual levels of temp) will just speed up weathering.. ESP depending on rock type.

Seems like just a way of trying to get good conditions - when they're not. An alternative to the tampon method ;) but more ahem, invasive like fisting ;)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: jwi on November 30, 2012, 01:56:38 pm
Blow torching is generally tolerated in Sweden.

But is it a good idea?

The heating/cooling surely results in expansion/contraction of the rock which will weaken it.

The videos I've seen show the place to be very picturesque with some nice boulders, it would be a shame if they were trashed this way.

No one heats the rock so much than that the outer surface still can't be touched. It defies the purpose.  Granite slabs seems to do fine as baking stones and pot stand etc. Never heard about any cracking.

A good climber/geologist I know think it is totally safe on granite and granitic gneiss.  I know tons of boulders that have been blow-toarched a few times a week several months a year, with no apparent damage.  I know of a few holds that have been utterly destroyed by torches (not on granite though).
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on November 30, 2012, 02:02:20 pm
The problem isn't so much the doing it on granite (although it can definitely lead to proliferation of micro-cracking or changing pressure within secondary/tertiary porosity) but some kids seeing Carlo doing it and following his lead on porous rock where the consequences can be much more dire.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: rich d on November 30, 2012, 02:03:35 pm
"Do not use soap on granite stone because the pores will absorb the soap and give your pizza a soapy flavor. Allow the stone to dry for several hours; if it's not thoroughly dried, it'll crack when it gets hot" from some instructions for using granite pizza stones - hmmmm ok to heat as long as it's not wet! 
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on November 30, 2012, 02:09:56 pm
No one heats the rock so much than that the outer surface still can be touched. It defies the purpose.  Granite slabs seems to do fine as baking stones and pot stand etc. Never heard about any cracking.

That's a uniform slab of rock usually from deep in a quarried mass, and chosen specifically for the purpose as it lacks any cracks or flaws and is uniformly heated and cooled. An exposed piece of natural rock where you are climbing on using small (often fragile) flakes and holds which are being heated and cooled unevenly is a totally different story. Holds can break off naturally without any heating, do you not thing the process could worsen it. And the problems you are referring to have only been climbed on over our lifetime. How do you know they will withstand this treatment for anopther couple of generations.

And besides even if it is tolerated on Swedish granite, someone seeing it done by a sponsored athlete and supposed ambassador for the sport will think it's OK to do on their local crag where the rock is a lot more fragile, and fuck things up good and proper in a very short period of time.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: abarro81 on November 30, 2012, 02:21:16 pm
Surprised noone has mentioned that there is footage of Didier -everyone's favourite personal hero - doing this on cobra crack on first ascent dvd.. did anyone kick up a fuss then? (genuine question)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Nibile on November 30, 2012, 02:28:41 pm
Didier is not my hero.
I did not see the video.
I don't like cracks.
I don't like kneepads.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Johnny Brown on November 30, 2012, 02:31:38 pm
The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: jwi on November 30, 2012, 03:10:57 pm
I should also point out that there are far more erratic boulders than boulderers in Sweden.  Most blocks get discovered, brushed, climbed, written up, forgotten about and finally overgrown with a new layer of moss and lichen in a cycle just a few years long.  I am sure this leads to a lax attitude towards the environment.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andyd on November 30, 2012, 03:33:03 pm
The problem isn't so much the doing it on granite (although it can definitely lead to proliferation of micro-cracking or changing pressure within secondary/tertiary porosity) but some kids seeing Carlo doing it and following his lead on porous rock where the consequences can be much more dire.

Andy's right here. It has to be an all or nothing approach as not everyone has a geologist at had to give their opinion (I am a geologist and an opinion is all they can give) on individual rocks or even parts of rocks. Carlo needs to set a clear example to those who are learning the ethics of climbing.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on November 30, 2012, 03:44:27 pm
I should also point out that there are far more erratic boulders than boulderers in Sweden.  Most blocks get discovered, brushed, climbed, written up, forgotten about and finally overgrown with a new layer of moss and lichen in a cycle just a few years long.  I am sure this leads to a lax attitude towards the environment.

Can you see from my previous comments that this point is irrelevant? If it's demonstrated in a relatively high profile video the practice may spill over into coutries or areas where the rock is a more limited resource and the impact will be greater.

Can you imagine the mess if someone tried to blowtorch a pof coated hold in font dry for example?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Sasquatch on December 03, 2012, 06:31:40 pm
I should also point out that there are far more erratic boulders than boulderers in Sweden.  Most blocks get discovered, brushed, climbed, written up, forgotten about and finally overgrown with a new layer of moss and lichen in a cycle just a few years long.  I am sure this leads to a lax attitude towards the environment.

BS.  That's just a lame pathetic excuse to do whatever because its not going to impact anyone else.  You don't know the future and you have no way of knowing what will or will not happen.  Instead of acting in the least acceptable manner, aspire to better.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 03, 2012, 09:47:44 pm
The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...

Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: a dense loner on December 03, 2012, 10:17:37 pm
None
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 04, 2012, 11:30:43 am
The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...

Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?

I'm nun the wiser.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: tomtom on December 04, 2012, 11:54:41 am
The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...

Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?

I'm nun the wiser.

A convent-ional answer..
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 04, 2012, 11:57:26 am
It's a habit.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: tomtom on December 04, 2012, 12:08:50 pm
It's a habit.

Thats a monk gag - I'm going to have to whip-ple you into shape...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: twoshoes on December 04, 2012, 12:15:21 pm
The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...

Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?

I'm nun the wiser.

A convent-ional answer..

I've had abbot enough of these...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 12:46:18 pm
The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...

Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?

I'm nun the wiser.

A convent-ional answer..

I've had abbot enough of these...


ah.... one of the cardinal rules of UKB - "pun whenever possible"
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 12:48:18 pm
might start to verger on the rediculous, though
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 12:49:00 pm
I'll stop before the Karma Police start to minister punter points
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 04, 2012, 12:50:11 pm
Usually I'm all for punning but on this occasion it isn't apoperiate.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: tomtom on December 04, 2012, 12:58:21 pm
I see you had to start a sister pun thread line ~ wimples the lot of you!
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 04, 2012, 02:02:01 pm
Don't fall prey to the bad pun karma trappist.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:17:50 pm
I'm not on a mission or anything, but I'd like more of these puns

Someone is bound to get the monk on about us going off topic - couldn't get any father from the original topic really

Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 04, 2012, 04:21:28 pm
Back on topic, do people blow-torch in Bishop?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:22:22 pm
I mitre had enough

there's no prophet in humor this shallow
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:25:33 pm
blow-torch in Bishop?

torturing bishops eh?

if people don't feel that their grades are impressive enough the can always talk 'em 'arder



Ha ha! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 04, 2012, 04:29:52 pm
Stop your preaching!
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:33:30 pm
we should work en mass to deal with the problem
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: tomtom on December 04, 2012, 04:35:47 pm
You are both making me cross. This thread will never altar anyones views, so maybe we should pulpit.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:38:19 pm
the thread could be taking a lectern for the worse
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 04, 2012, 04:38:56 pm
That's your point of pew but not mine.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:40:01 pm
I feel such a nave for poking fun at a serious subject
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 04, 2012, 04:40:44 pm
This methodist no good for drying holds anyway.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:41:00 pm
I mosque go. Got work to do
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: lagerstarfish on December 04, 2012, 04:42:21 pm
in retrospect, some of these puns are pretty layman
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 04, 2012, 04:43:40 pm
You're a good chapelagerstarfish. Don't go.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: tomtom on December 04, 2012, 05:12:18 pm
You're a good chapelagerstarfish. Don't go.

He has to go and exorcise after he broke his heel...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 05, 2012, 09:34:16 am
You lot might be crucifying Traversi but I bet you'd all be happy to live vicariously through his bouldering achievements.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: tomtom on December 05, 2012, 09:51:29 am
You lot might be crucifying Traversi but I bet you'd all be happy to live vicariously through his bouldering achievements.

Pah - that was yesterdays pun. ;)

Todays theme is small woodland mammals.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 05, 2012, 09:57:01 am
Hedge all your puns now before someone hogs them.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 05, 2012, 10:15:31 am
Hedgehogs, why can't they share? (I realise it's not a pun, but I can't help rabbitting on).
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: a dense loner on December 05, 2012, 10:50:17 am
Nice one, 2 pages of shit puns on a thread that started off about traversi blow torching rock. N you lot say people are responsible for what they do. You've all just took away the point of an idiot doing something we all feel is very bad and made subsequent interested readers think ukb is a last bastion of morons. Can I suggest a thread entitled "wank puns put here so as not to detract from any sensible postings"
May I suggest one or in rare circumstances two puns in a thread then get back on track with the original point. Keeps it fresh and slightly interesting
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: ianto9 on December 05, 2012, 10:53:50 am
 :clap2: :agree:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Duma on December 05, 2012, 10:56:00 am
What dense said - I love playing with language, but shit puns for the sake of it stopped being funny long ago, and this thread isn't the place.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 05, 2012, 11:04:57 am
Dry your eyes. Anything constructive had been milked from the thread ages ago. Everyone had had their say, the message had been delivered to the guilty party, the gulity party had chosen to ignore the message. Do we plan a protest march now?

If you really feel the thread still has legs, we can ask a moderator to please remove the punning section?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 05, 2012, 11:07:34 am
It was a full three days between the last constructive post and Adam Lincoln failing to recognise a joke which sparked the puns.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Jaspersharpe on December 05, 2012, 11:08:09 am
Trust dense to be holier than thou.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on December 05, 2012, 11:09:02 am
What Duma said, they're just not funny, regardless of the thread they're posted in.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: a dense loner on December 05, 2012, 11:22:23 am
My eyes aren't wet Chris, I quit crying a long time ago. To say the thread had run its course and everybody had had their say if by this you mean 12 ish regular posters had posted then I guess it had, we should think ourselves lucky that no one else reads ukb. I wasn't aware threads had to be kept alive at all costs
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 05, 2012, 11:41:10 am
You miss my point. What I was saying was the thread had run it's course and no harm was caused by some of us having a bit of fun. It wasn't to try and keep the thread alive.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: a dense loner on December 05, 2012, 11:53:05 am
No sir u miss my point, which is that people read the blow torch bit n then carry on reading. They then decide that all the posts after are utter ridiculous, but theyre written by the same guys, and then what happens...
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 05, 2012, 11:56:25 am
"Oh, those guys who make valid scientific and ethical statements also have a not-so-serious side too."
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on December 05, 2012, 11:59:09 am
"Oh, those guys who make valid scientific and ethical statements also have a not-so-serious side too tell crap jokes."

Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 05, 2012, 12:07:15 pm
Or that!
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 05, 2012, 12:15:14 pm
No sir u miss my point, which is that people read the blow torch bit n then carry on reading. They then decide that all the posts after are utter ridiculous, but theyre written by the same guys, and then what happens...

No, I got that bit the first time. If you are actually worried about what other people reading this site think, you could try adding in a bit more useful contribution, rather than just slagging everything off?

Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: a dense loner on December 05, 2012, 12:29:38 pm
I think it's quite obvious not to take a blow torch to rock, I also think its quite obvious not to climb on damp rock, I also think its quite obvious to go for a shit far from the madding crowds. Plus a lot more besides, I don't need a well intentioned geologist or sanitary expert to tell me any of the above however some people do. Did I slag off any of the info that had been given out? No, I slagged off the degeneration of a topic that was supposed to enlighten people
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 05, 2012, 12:58:52 pm
I was talking about in general terms, rather than in specific reference to this thread.

Anyhoo, this thread is now just about ready to be locked and logged. It's been fun, and emotional. We can take this discussion offline if you fancy a pint? :)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 05, 2012, 05:10:38 pm
It was a full three days between the last constructive post and Adam Lincoln failing to recognise a joke which sparked the puns.

It wasn't a joke Andi, but the bit about the nun was. Lets keep things factual, or we will end up like ukc.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 05, 2012, 05:33:57 pm
That was the post I was referring to, sorry.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: miso soup on December 06, 2012, 05:44:50 pm
BEST COAST RIOT on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/21387283)

This one also has a bit of Swedish blow-torching at 26:24. 
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Christobal on December 19, 2012, 10:40:35 pm
Even though I think you are overly sensitive regarding the use of blowtorches I still wanted to share a little experiment.
1:16 into the video.

http://www.boulderingsthlm.blogspot.se/search/label/El%20toro (http://www.boulderingsthlm.blogspot.se/search/label/El%20toro)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Jim on December 20, 2012, 01:56:55 pm
sensitive?
does your video clearly show that blow torching fucks the rock?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 20, 2012, 03:12:25 pm
Quite. You can see smoking pieces of rock falling off? Clearly not oversensitive, demonstrates why this is such a bad idea.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on December 20, 2012, 05:00:52 pm
christobal... dont fully understand what you where trying to prove? you say people are oversensitive but the show a video of rock being damaged by a blow torch...  :shrug:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: ghisino on December 20, 2012, 10:06:28 pm
does it show that blowtorching could set a forest on fire, but not quite?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: moose on December 20, 2012, 10:38:39 pm
Aye, maybe I'm a closet arsonist but I was a bit disappointed that the leaves around the gas bottle didn't ignite and trigger a BLEVE (providing the bottle contained pressurized liquid).
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Christobal on December 21, 2012, 09:56:20 am
1. I thought some of the writers on the forum where being overly sensitive and a bit unfair in their outbursts towards Traversi. The guy comes as a guest to an area where blowtorching wet holds are quite commonplace.
"When in Rome.." et.c. Traversi does what everyone does, gets filmed by someone and finds himself in a video produced by someone. I find it a bit harsch putting the responsability of influencing future rockwreckers solely on him.

2. I dont think blowtorching a solid piece of granite is harmful to the rock. I´ve seen it done numerous times on the same holds for the last fifteen years without ever having even heard of a damaged hold. I still see your point regarding the influence the video might have upon others.

3. I posted the video to make a little fun of myself since I proclaim the opposite of what seems to be showing in the vid.
One should be aware that the rock being torched in the clip is acrystalline piece of rock and therefore much more sensitive to temperaturechanges than granite. Furthermore, when drying a hold, heat is never applyed for longer than needed to dry it. The rock in the video had been torched for like 5 min. until it was glowing.

Didn´t mean for anyone to get pissed.

Christer
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 21, 2012, 09:59:18 am
acrystalline piece of rock and therefore much more sensitive to temperaturechanges than granite.

...which is a crystalline rock... What was the rock type you showed being blow-torched?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Christobal on December 21, 2012, 10:13:47 am
 I think the rocktype being torched in the video is called feldspar in English.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy_e on December 21, 2012, 10:17:08 am
Nope, that's a mineral. Is it metamorphic?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 21, 2012, 10:18:16 am
Can you not understand though, that if someone who doesn't know any better see it in his video, or indeed yours now free to view on vimeo, they might deem it an acceptable practice and do it on their own local rocks?

You've climbed on grit (for example) how long do you think some of the holds would last getting blowtorched on a regular basis?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andyd on December 21, 2012, 10:19:51 am
there could well be feldspar in the mix. It looks like a gneiss or something similar.

You've either missed the point or haven't read all of the thread.

Some rocks are more sensitive to this than others. You've clearly proved from your video that you shouldn't blow torch this type of rock. You've also proved that you are unqualified to identify different types of rock and therefore make a 'judgement' on whether or not it could take such a rapid temperature change. Therefore, this should be frowned upon across the climbing community and should not be publicised in videos by people of influence.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: slackline on December 21, 2012, 10:31:57 am
Can you not understand though, that if someone who doesn't know any better see it in his video, or indeed yours now free to view on vimeo, they might deem it an acceptable practice and do it on their own local rocks?

I still see your point regarding the influence the video might have upon others.

Some rocks are more sensitive to this than others. You've clearly proved from your video that you shouldn't blow torch this type of rock. You've also proved that you are unqualified to identify different types of rock and therefore make a 'judgement' on whether or not it could take such a rapid temperature change. Therefore, this should be frowned upon across the climbing community and should not be publicised in videos by people of influence.

 :agree:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: b.rad on December 23, 2012, 09:41:14 pm
A Northeastern Experience on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/56197676)

Torch @ 0:38...

and the guidebook for the area...

http://i.imgur.com/UGbh1.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/UGbh1.jpg)


Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on December 23, 2012, 10:35:46 pm
Good spot ... New game : where's the blowtorch
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 24, 2012, 07:29:55 am
Could be for warming hands? Does look a bit chilly!
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: andy popp on December 24, 2012, 09:34:37 am
Webb has responded to a comment on 8a - not used on the rock at all, but for drying shoes apparently.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on December 24, 2012, 01:51:01 pm
drying shoes?  wouldnt that ruin the glue or something?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Stubbs on December 24, 2012, 01:56:10 pm
You know you can hold things at different distances from sources of heat?  ;)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on December 24, 2012, 01:59:48 pm
i did not know that haha thats why i keep burning my self of the hob
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: AndyR on December 24, 2012, 07:33:16 pm
Webb has responded to a comment on 8a - not used on the rock at all, but for drying shoes apparently.
Didn't Big Ron advocate for using blow torches to warm up boot rubber for better friction?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: standard on December 25, 2012, 04:30:10 pm
Webb has responded to a comment on 8a - not used on the rock at all, but for drying shoes apparently.

this sounds legit.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on December 26, 2012, 08:21:35 pm
i did not know that haha thats why i keep burning my self on the nob

Fixed :)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on December 26, 2012, 10:30:03 pm
 :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: flyguy on January 05, 2013, 12:40:48 pm
Not sure if this has been posted yet

http://carlotraversi.com/2013/01/04/an-ethical-questions/ (http://carlotraversi.com/2013/01/04/an-ethical-questions/)
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on January 05, 2013, 03:49:37 pm
good find. i find it extremely difficult to believe that a pro climber would not have heard of blow torching the rock to dry it and the damage it does.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: masonwoods101 on January 09, 2013, 06:11:12 pm
http://www.dpmclimbing.com/climbing-videos/watch/video-paul-robinson-woodgrain-grippin?page=16 (http://www.dpmclimbing.com/climbing-videos/watch/video-paul-robinson-woodgrain-grippin?page=16)   bout 20 seconds in ....  :guilty:
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: ferret on January 10, 2013, 08:58:12 pm
Watching the vid it seems as tho the blowtorch is not lit and this is a troll.
Making fun of this issue is something you might expect from an immature gangster wana be whos probably never done a days work in his life, not a proffesional athlete and roll model
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: shurt on January 11, 2013, 01:36:17 pm
Re Carlos defence on his site....

I think he'd of fitted right in at the London riots. You know, everyone was throwing bricks through windows and stealing trainers so I just thought there cant be anything wrong with it.

As for him never hearing of blowtorching - utter bollocks. As is him getting in a piss for people criticising him.

My ten pennuth anyway
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: Durbs on January 11, 2013, 01:45:47 pm
As for him never hearing of blowtorching - utter bollocks.

"...largely unknown to me..."
Strange phrase, but means he had heard of it, but only a bit?
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on January 11, 2013, 08:37:02 pm
Largely unknown. A bit like slightly pregnant or pretty unique.
Title: Re: Blow-torching Traversty
Post by: SA Chris on January 11, 2013, 10:12:23 pm
Nice one for missing a joke barrows.
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