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the shizzle => shootin' the shit => Topic started by: Percy B on November 28, 2012, 07:18:56 pm
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There's a lovely little video on 8a.nu called Vastervik Bouldering. Check out Carlo Traversi blow-torching holds around the 26.30 mark. I would post a photo but I don't have a clue of how to do it.
Needless to say - what a wanker. Does climbing hard blocs mean you don't have to worry about fucking the rock up for others? Or is it OK because the rock your trashing isn't in the US of A so you're not worried? What a great role-model........the stunted, buffant retard
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wow brilliant. hopefully all the young punks will do the same.
(apparently he doesn't actually like traversing)
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Punter away (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=7795)
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Blowtorching? Have we travelled back to the nineties and no-one told me?
Actually, that would explain why people are grumbling about kneepads I suppose.
What a knob Traversi is. Everyone knows tampons work better anyway.
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Or tinfoil obvs.
Cure for a Wet Hold on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/50296693)
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That's criminal, people don't think the same tho. Why someone would put it in a bouldering film is beyond me, but most things are
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Quote from his website 'testament': "Carlo embodies the modern bouldering
ideal dick"
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He popped up here pretty fast last time people were giving him crap. Googling himself perhaps?
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Blowtorching? Have we travelled back to the nineties and no-one told me?
Actually, that would explain why people are grumbling about kneepads I suppose.
What a knob Traversi is. Everyone knows tampons work better anyway.
Fuckin rite Stu...
FFS....
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Vastervik Bouldering on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/52712636)
What's worse is he's using kneebars too.
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Webiste is http://carlotraversi.com/category/blog/ (http://carlotraversi.com/category/blog/), feel free to give him shit
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He popped up here pretty fast last time people were giving him crap. Googling himself perhaps?
No. I left a comment on his blog asking if his sponsors found rape jokes funny too. And a link to the UKB thread. To his credit, he did respond promptly.
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I see tick marks too.
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I see tick marks too.
hardly on the same level really is it?
i saw this video a bit ago and thought it seemed a bit extreme, assumed it might be local practice, perhaps not. even if it is acceptable on a local level it seems entirely stupid having it on the net.
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I see tick marks too.
thankfully they can be washed off easily.
I saw the blue touching on a trailer for that and left s comment questioning it in the video itself. Not checked if there is a response yet though (and currently on my phone so to lazy to check).
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Blue touching?!
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Reckon they could do a video of a famous climber being jumped by a random animal for blowtorching holds like the gorilla video? Should be a series of them...
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left s comment questioning it in the video itself. Not checked if there is a response yet though (and currently on my phone so to lazy to check).
no response that i can see.
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Blue touching?!
:oops: forgot to check the predictive text.
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Admitting to viewing a blue touching video is no shame ;D
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:slap:
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He doesn't do himself any favours does he. What a choad.
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And he deletes adverse comments on his website
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I posted a comment on Vimeo and encourage others to do so. It's important, I don't want that climbers start thinking that it's a brave and humble behaviour.
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I've commented on the video.
Shameful behaviour
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Reckon they could do a video of a famous climber being jumped by a random animal for blowtorching holds like the gorilla video? Should be a series of them...
Or a gorilla jumping a famous climber and then getting medieval on him with a blowtorch. I can nominate a few.
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:agree: :popcorn: id watch that...
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The comments on vimeo make for good reading! Made me chuckle anyway, think Carlo will be locking his doors at night from now on, looks like there is a lynch mob forming online. :chair:
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Punter away (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=7795)
done
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I'm fucking hopeless at posting I am however very disappointed to see people that do this (http://s745.beta.photobucket.com/user/SpanishJuan/media/End%20Of%20Bells/2635.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)..
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He deserves a flaming (sorry)
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I'm fucking hopeless at posting I am however very disappointed to see people that do this (http://s745.beta.photobucket.com/user/SpanishJuan/media/End%20Of%20Bells/2635.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)..
(http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx92/SpanishJuan/End%20Of%20Bells/2635.jpg)
On that particular site there is a handy list on the right of the picture, simply click on the text next to "IMG code" and it copies the code for embedding it to your clipboard, then when you're back on the UKB tab ready to paste it in, position the cursor and press 'Ctrl +v' et voila
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hmm all comments on the blow torching deleted
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Still possible to keep posting comments until they get the idea though...
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Dick
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Keep posting - just put something on 8a.poo about the deleting/air brushing.
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looks to be leaving comments on vimeo
I don't condone any of the blow torching and I can in no way be held responsible for the actions in the video, I was there to document and did not encourage the torching.
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I sent a couple of emails to Planetmountain.com and other climbing websites to report the video and the censorship.
I'm really pissed and would like to contact Five Ten to let them know who they sponsor.
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have left a couple of comments for the access gorilla..
https://vimeo.com/48602838# (https://vimeo.com/48602838#)
http://lt11.com/2012/10/26/chris-schulte-stashes-pads/ (http://lt11.com/2012/10/26/chris-schulte-stashes-pads/)
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In case its deleted like other comments heres what I just posted...
Huh, where did my question about the blow-torching go?
The "I'm just the messenger" argument you are trying to use above is poor because as the 'messenger' in this instance you do have a responsibility to portray to viewers how to treat the rock that we all climb on and share. How many who don't know any better will have seen the blow-torching and thought to themselves "Hey, now theres a way I can dry my project/problem quickly after its wet", thus in turn increasing the damage that is done to the rock.
Traversi should have known better in the first place and not used a blow-torch, but you should also have thought about the consequences of posting a video showing him doing it.
We'll have to ask the Access Fund to make another video for their series, this time about blow-torching....
Stashing Pads - https://vimeo.com/48602838
Crapping at Crags - https://vimeo.com/48603987
Littering at Crags - https://vimeo.com/48602840
Tick Marks - https://vimeo.com/48602839
Blowtorching - [COMING SOON]
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Carlo ConTraversi strikes again. Commented on Bearcam's post to ask why he left it in if he doesn't condone it.
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What? Nice one andi, I've just sent an email to bbc news asking why they've put a piece in about Internet cut-offs in Syria. Asking whether they condone it. Why don't people bombard all carlo's sponsors instead of sending them to his website? I'm sure if I had a website and people started saying nice things about me I'd get rid of them sharpish too
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Because Carlo wasn't the one who edited the blow-torching in to the video? The BBC neither condones nor does not condone Syrian atrocities, they are impartial and unbiased, whereas Bearcam Media are saying they take a stance against it yet including it in their videos.
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From here http://climbingnarc.com/videos/vastervik-bouldering/#comments (http://climbingnarc.com/videos/vastervik-bouldering/#comments)
It’s not uncommon in Sweden to use a blowtorch to dry holds (the weather this year has been the worst for many years) and, as far as I know, not something that’s frowned upon here.
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I'm sure if I had a website and people started saying nice things about me
This is not likely to happen tho is it :)
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I've just asked him on Twitter why he was doing it....
@CarloTraversi
at least one of his sponsors is on there too @5Ten
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I don't condone any of the blow torching and I can in no way be held responsible for the actions in the video, I was there to document and did not encourage the torching.
Well that's a lame cop out.
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It is. "not encouraging" is a long way from telling him not to fucking do it.
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And now he's replying to all the comments in a sarky and dismissive manner. What a paragon of humanity.
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The "I'm just the messenger" argument you are trying to use above is poor because as the 'messenger' in this instance you do have a responsibility to portray to viewers how to treat the rock that we all climb on and share. How many who don't know any better will have seen the blow-torching and thought to themselves "Hey, now theres a way I can dry my project/problem quickly after its wet", thus in turn increasing the damage that is done to the rock.
Traversi should have known better in the first place and not used a blow-torch, but you should also have thought about the consequences of posting a video showing him doing it.
I've spelt it out for them as they clearly don't understand.
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Facebook page says he's arrived in London.
What's he here for ?
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Blow torching is generally tolerated in Sweden.
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Facebook page says he's arrived in London.
What's he here for ?
He will be looking to use that torch on all you twats that have had a go at him. :lol:
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Blow torching is generally tolerated in Sweden.
But is it a good idea?
The heating/cooling surely results in expansion/contraction of the rock which will weaken it.
The videos I've seen show the place to be very picturesque with some nice boulders, it would be a shame if they were trashed this way.
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I could post up some SCIENCE which says exactly why blow-torching is a bad idea but I'm not sure if it's worth it, slackline's explanation suffices to the layman.
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Indeed , heating and cooling (especially rapidly and by unusual levels of temp) will just speed up weathering.. ESP depending on rock type.
Seems like just a way of trying to get good conditions - when they're not. An alternative to the tampon method ;) but more ahem, invasive ;)
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There's also pore pressure effects but it's all very :yawn:
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Indeed , heating and cooling (especially rapidly and by unusual levels of temp) will just speed up weathering.. ESP depending on rock type.
Seems like just a way of trying to get good conditions - when they're not. An alternative to the tampon method ;) but more ahem, invasive like fisting ;)
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Blow torching is generally tolerated in Sweden.
But is it a good idea?
The heating/cooling surely results in expansion/contraction of the rock which will weaken it.
The videos I've seen show the place to be very picturesque with some nice boulders, it would be a shame if they were trashed this way.
No one heats the rock so much than that the outer surface still can't be touched. It defies the purpose. Granite slabs seems to do fine as baking stones and pot stand etc. Never heard about any cracking.
A good climber/geologist I know think it is totally safe on granite and granitic gneiss. I know tons of boulders that have been blow-toarched a few times a week several months a year, with no apparent damage. I know of a few holds that have been utterly destroyed by torches (not on granite though).
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The problem isn't so much the doing it on granite (although it can definitely lead to proliferation of micro-cracking or changing pressure within secondary/tertiary porosity) but some kids seeing Carlo doing it and following his lead on porous rock where the consequences can be much more dire.
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"Do not use soap on granite stone because the pores will absorb the soap and give your pizza a soapy flavor. Allow the stone to dry for several hours; if it's not thoroughly dried, it'll crack when it gets hot" from some instructions for using granite pizza stones - hmmmm ok to heat as long as it's not wet!
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No one heats the rock so much than that the outer surface still can be touched. It defies the purpose. Granite slabs seems to do fine as baking stones and pot stand etc. Never heard about any cracking.
That's a uniform slab of rock usually from deep in a quarried mass, and chosen specifically for the purpose as it lacks any cracks or flaws and is uniformly heated and cooled. An exposed piece of natural rock where you are climbing on using small (often fragile) flakes and holds which are being heated and cooled unevenly is a totally different story. Holds can break off naturally without any heating, do you not thing the process could worsen it. And the problems you are referring to have only been climbed on over our lifetime. How do you know they will withstand this treatment for anopther couple of generations.
And besides even if it is tolerated on Swedish granite, someone seeing it done by a sponsored athlete and supposed ambassador for the sport will think it's OK to do on their local crag where the rock is a lot more fragile, and fuck things up good and proper in a very short period of time.
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Surprised noone has mentioned that there is footage of Didier -everyone's favourite personal hero - doing this on cobra crack on first ascent dvd.. did anyone kick up a fuss then? (genuine question)
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Didier is not my hero.
I did not see the video.
I don't like cracks.
I don't like kneepads.
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The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...
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I should also point out that there are far more erratic boulders than boulderers in Sweden. Most blocks get discovered, brushed, climbed, written up, forgotten about and finally overgrown with a new layer of moss and lichen in a cycle just a few years long. I am sure this leads to a lax attitude towards the environment.
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The problem isn't so much the doing it on granite (although it can definitely lead to proliferation of micro-cracking or changing pressure within secondary/tertiary porosity) but some kids seeing Carlo doing it and following his lead on porous rock where the consequences can be much more dire.
Andy's right here. It has to be an all or nothing approach as not everyone has a geologist at had to give their opinion (I am a geologist and an opinion is all they can give) on individual rocks or even parts of rocks. Carlo needs to set a clear example to those who are learning the ethics of climbing.
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I should also point out that there are far more erratic boulders than boulderers in Sweden. Most blocks get discovered, brushed, climbed, written up, forgotten about and finally overgrown with a new layer of moss and lichen in a cycle just a few years long. I am sure this leads to a lax attitude towards the environment.
Can you see from my previous comments that this point is irrelevant? If it's demonstrated in a relatively high profile video the practice may spill over into coutries or areas where the rock is a more limited resource and the impact will be greater.
Can you imagine the mess if someone tried to blowtorch a pof coated hold in font dry for example?
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I should also point out that there are far more erratic boulders than boulderers in Sweden. Most blocks get discovered, brushed, climbed, written up, forgotten about and finally overgrown with a new layer of moss and lichen in a cycle just a few years long. I am sure this leads to a lax attitude towards the environment.
BS. That's just a lame pathetic excuse to do whatever because its not going to impact anyone else. You don't know the future and you have no way of knowing what will or will not happen. Instead of acting in the least acceptable manner, aspire to better.
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The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...
Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?
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None
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The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...
Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?
I'm nun the wiser.
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The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...
Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?
I'm nun the wiser.
A convent-ional answer..
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It's a habit.
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It's a habit.
Thats a monk gag - I'm going to have to whip-ple you into shape...
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The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...
Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?
I'm nun the wiser.
A convent-ional answer..
I've had abbot enough of these...
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The guy's untouchable. They didn't even kick up a fuss when he got a nun preggers...
Is this a case of Chinese whispers or was that comment a joke?
I'm nun the wiser.
A convent-ional answer..
I've had abbot enough of these...
ah.... one of the cardinal rules of UKB - "pun whenever possible"
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might start to verger on the rediculous, though
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I'll stop before the Karma Police start to minister punter points
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Usually I'm all for punning but on this occasion it isn't apoperiate.
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I see you had to start a sister pun thread line ~ wimples the lot of you!
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Don't fall prey to the bad pun karma trappist.
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I'm not on a mission or anything, but I'd like more of these puns
Someone is bound to get the monk on about us going off topic - couldn't get any father from the original topic really
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Back on topic, do people blow-torch in Bishop?
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I mitre had enough
there's no prophet in humor this shallow
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blow-torch in Bishop?
torturing bishops eh?
if people don't feel that their grades are impressive enough the can always talk 'em 'arder
Ha ha! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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Stop your preaching!
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we should work en mass to deal with the problem
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You are both making me cross. This thread will never altar anyones views, so maybe we should pulpit.
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the thread could be taking a lectern for the worse
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That's your point of pew but not mine.
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I feel such a nave for poking fun at a serious subject
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This methodist no good for drying holds anyway.
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I mosque go. Got work to do
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in retrospect, some of these puns are pretty layman
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You're a good chapelagerstarfish. Don't go.
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You're a good chapelagerstarfish. Don't go.
He has to go and exorcise after he broke his heel...
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You lot might be crucifying Traversi but I bet you'd all be happy to live vicariously through his bouldering achievements.
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You lot might be crucifying Traversi but I bet you'd all be happy to live vicariously through his bouldering achievements.
Pah - that was yesterdays pun. ;)
Todays theme is small woodland mammals.
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Hedge all your puns now before someone hogs them.
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Hedgehogs, why can't they share? (I realise it's not a pun, but I can't help rabbitting on).
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Nice one, 2 pages of shit puns on a thread that started off about traversi blow torching rock. N you lot say people are responsible for what they do. You've all just took away the point of an idiot doing something we all feel is very bad and made subsequent interested readers think ukb is a last bastion of morons. Can I suggest a thread entitled "wank puns put here so as not to detract from any sensible postings"
May I suggest one or in rare circumstances two puns in a thread then get back on track with the original point. Keeps it fresh and slightly interesting
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:clap2: :agree:
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What dense said - I love playing with language, but shit puns for the sake of it stopped being funny long ago, and this thread isn't the place.
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Dry your eyes. Anything constructive had been milked from the thread ages ago. Everyone had had their say, the message had been delivered to the guilty party, the gulity party had chosen to ignore the message. Do we plan a protest march now?
If you really feel the thread still has legs, we can ask a moderator to please remove the punning section?
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It was a full three days between the last constructive post and Adam Lincoln failing to recognise a joke which sparked the puns.
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Trust dense to be holier than thou.
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What Duma said, they're just not funny, regardless of the thread they're posted in.
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My eyes aren't wet Chris, I quit crying a long time ago. To say the thread had run its course and everybody had had their say if by this you mean 12 ish regular posters had posted then I guess it had, we should think ourselves lucky that no one else reads ukb. I wasn't aware threads had to be kept alive at all costs
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You miss my point. What I was saying was the thread had run it's course and no harm was caused by some of us having a bit of fun. It wasn't to try and keep the thread alive.
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No sir u miss my point, which is that people read the blow torch bit n then carry on reading. They then decide that all the posts after are utter ridiculous, but theyre written by the same guys, and then what happens...
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"Oh, those guys who make valid scientific and ethical statements also have a not-so-serious side too."
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"Oh, those guys who make valid scientific and ethical statements also have a not-so-serious side too tell crap jokes."
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Or that!
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No sir u miss my point, which is that people read the blow torch bit n then carry on reading. They then decide that all the posts after are utter ridiculous, but theyre written by the same guys, and then what happens...
No, I got that bit the first time. If you are actually worried about what other people reading this site think, you could try adding in a bit more useful contribution, rather than just slagging everything off?
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I think it's quite obvious not to take a blow torch to rock, I also think its quite obvious not to climb on damp rock, I also think its quite obvious to go for a shit far from the madding crowds. Plus a lot more besides, I don't need a well intentioned geologist or sanitary expert to tell me any of the above however some people do. Did I slag off any of the info that had been given out? No, I slagged off the degeneration of a topic that was supposed to enlighten people
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I was talking about in general terms, rather than in specific reference to this thread.
Anyhoo, this thread is now just about ready to be locked and logged. It's been fun, and emotional. We can take this discussion offline if you fancy a pint? :)
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It was a full three days between the last constructive post and Adam Lincoln failing to recognise a joke which sparked the puns.
It wasn't a joke Andi, but the bit about the nun was. Lets keep things factual, or we will end up like ukc.
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That was the post I was referring to, sorry.
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BEST COAST RIOT on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/21387283)
This one also has a bit of Swedish blow-torching at 26:24.
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Even though I think you are overly sensitive regarding the use of blowtorches I still wanted to share a little experiment.
1:16 into the video.
http://www.boulderingsthlm.blogspot.se/search/label/El%20toro (http://www.boulderingsthlm.blogspot.se/search/label/El%20toro)
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sensitive?
does your video clearly show that blow torching fucks the rock?
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Quite. You can see smoking pieces of rock falling off? Clearly not oversensitive, demonstrates why this is such a bad idea.
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christobal... dont fully understand what you where trying to prove? you say people are oversensitive but the show a video of rock being damaged by a blow torch... :shrug:
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does it show that blowtorching could set a forest on fire, but not quite?
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Aye, maybe I'm a closet arsonist but I was a bit disappointed that the leaves around the gas bottle didn't ignite and trigger a BLEVE (providing the bottle contained pressurized liquid).
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1. I thought some of the writers on the forum where being overly sensitive and a bit unfair in their outbursts towards Traversi. The guy comes as a guest to an area where blowtorching wet holds are quite commonplace.
"When in Rome.." et.c. Traversi does what everyone does, gets filmed by someone and finds himself in a video produced by someone. I find it a bit harsch putting the responsability of influencing future rockwreckers solely on him.
2. I dont think blowtorching a solid piece of granite is harmful to the rock. I´ve seen it done numerous times on the same holds for the last fifteen years without ever having even heard of a damaged hold. I still see your point regarding the influence the video might have upon others.
3. I posted the video to make a little fun of myself since I proclaim the opposite of what seems to be showing in the vid.
One should be aware that the rock being torched in the clip is acrystalline piece of rock and therefore much more sensitive to temperaturechanges than granite. Furthermore, when drying a hold, heat is never applyed for longer than needed to dry it. The rock in the video had been torched for like 5 min. until it was glowing.
Didn´t mean for anyone to get pissed.
Christer
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acrystalline piece of rock and therefore much more sensitive to temperaturechanges than granite.
...which is a crystalline rock... What was the rock type you showed being blow-torched?
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I think the rocktype being torched in the video is called feldspar in English.
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Nope, that's a mineral. Is it metamorphic?
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Can you not understand though, that if someone who doesn't know any better see it in his video, or indeed yours now free to view on vimeo, they might deem it an acceptable practice and do it on their own local rocks?
You've climbed on grit (for example) how long do you think some of the holds would last getting blowtorched on a regular basis?
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there could well be feldspar in the mix. It looks like a gneiss or something similar.
You've either missed the point or haven't read all of the thread.
Some rocks are more sensitive to this than others. You've clearly proved from your video that you shouldn't blow torch this type of rock. You've also proved that you are unqualified to identify different types of rock and therefore make a 'judgement' on whether or not it could take such a rapid temperature change. Therefore, this should be frowned upon across the climbing community and should not be publicised in videos by people of influence.
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Can you not understand though, that if someone who doesn't know any better see it in his video, or indeed yours now free to view on vimeo, they might deem it an acceptable practice and do it on their own local rocks?
I still see your point regarding the influence the video might have upon others.
Some rocks are more sensitive to this than others. You've clearly proved from your video that you shouldn't blow torch this type of rock. You've also proved that you are unqualified to identify different types of rock and therefore make a 'judgement' on whether or not it could take such a rapid temperature change. Therefore, this should be frowned upon across the climbing community and should not be publicised in videos by people of influence.
:agree:
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A Northeastern Experience on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/56197676)
Torch @ 0:38...
and the guidebook for the area...
http://i.imgur.com/UGbh1.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/UGbh1.jpg)
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Good spot ... New game : where's the blowtorch
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Could be for warming hands? Does look a bit chilly!
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Webb has responded to a comment on 8a - not used on the rock at all, but for drying shoes apparently.
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drying shoes? wouldnt that ruin the glue or something?
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You know you can hold things at different distances from sources of heat? ;)
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i did not know that haha thats why i keep burning my self of the hob
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Webb has responded to a comment on 8a - not used on the rock at all, but for drying shoes apparently.
Didn't Big Ron advocate for using blow torches to warm up boot rubber for better friction?
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Webb has responded to a comment on 8a - not used on the rock at all, but for drying shoes apparently.
this sounds legit.
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i did not know that haha thats why i keep burning my self on the nob
Fixed :)
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:2thumbsup:
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Not sure if this has been posted yet
http://carlotraversi.com/2013/01/04/an-ethical-questions/ (http://carlotraversi.com/2013/01/04/an-ethical-questions/)
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good find. i find it extremely difficult to believe that a pro climber would not have heard of blow torching the rock to dry it and the damage it does.
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http://www.dpmclimbing.com/climbing-videos/watch/video-paul-robinson-woodgrain-grippin?page=16 (http://www.dpmclimbing.com/climbing-videos/watch/video-paul-robinson-woodgrain-grippin?page=16) bout 20 seconds in .... :guilty:
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Watching the vid it seems as tho the blowtorch is not lit and this is a troll.
Making fun of this issue is something you might expect from an immature gangster wana be whos probably never done a days work in his life, not a proffesional athlete and roll model
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Re Carlos defence on his site....
I think he'd of fitted right in at the London riots. You know, everyone was throwing bricks through windows and stealing trainers so I just thought there cant be anything wrong with it.
As for him never hearing of blowtorching - utter bollocks. As is him getting in a piss for people criticising him.
My ten pennuth anyway
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As for him never hearing of blowtorching - utter bollocks.
"...largely unknown to me..."
Strange phrase, but means he had heard of it, but only a bit?
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Largely unknown. A bit like slightly pregnant or pretty unique.
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Nice one for missing a joke barrows.