[tomtom]

was all good this morning heading into lunchtime... Cave seemed to have mostly dried up (though I didnt probe too far...)

[Nathan1990]

I'm looking to go over to raven tor very soon like next few weekends so just this updated guys .  Is there any sprays or something I can maybe apply to myself to move the midges

[Wood FT]

Hi Nathan, try getting some 'Avon skin so soft' from Boots etc, it's not marketed as midge repellant but has proved to be very useful. smells good too. Haven't tried Jungle forumula or whatever it's called. 

[haydn jones]

Don't think I've ever seen midgies at the tor. I wouldnt worry about it

[tomtom]

I was midged out on tuesday... but I seemed to be the only person affected

I had put on some boots insect repellant and actually wondered whether that was attracting the little fuckers...

I felt like the kid on Charlie Brown

[nathan.90]

I hear ppl who smoke don't get affected as the midges don't like it. I like that occasional old mans pipe but don't fancy it a a crag so that's out window so I'll try your Avon skin or something similer. Thanks guys 


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[Gus]

Don't think I've ever seen midgies at the tor. I wouldnt worry about it

  Lay off the crack!

[slackline]

I hear ppl who smoke don't get affected as the midges don't like it. I like that occasional old mans pipe but don't fancy it a a crag so that's out window so I'll try your Avon skin or something similer.

Midges are attracted to carbon dioxide, a by product of breathing and burning tobacco.  Tobacco contains nicotine which is the plants natural insecticide.

Smoking doesn't make a great deal of difference to whether midges will bother you.

[Johnny Brown]

Bollocks. It absolutely does in my experience - at least whilst you are smoking and surrounding yourself in smoke. I never really smoked apart from in pubs before it was banned, and on my annual Scotland trip in the summer. Midges don't like smoke.

[Wood FT]

Don't think I've ever seen midgies at the tor. I wouldnt worry about it

  Lay off the crack!

it's Hayden's crackpipe that's keeping the midges away, it all makes sense

[tomtom]

I'm willing to hire my midge attracting services for £15 hour. I can stand at any part of the Tor and all midges will be attracted to me thus providing you with a midge free polish polishing session.

For an extra £5 an hour I can provide the eco-friendly option where I promise not to squash any of the little fuckers.

[slackline]

Bollocks. It absolutely does in my experience - at least whilst you are smoking and surrounding yourself in smoke. I never really smoked apart from in pubs before it was banned, and on my annual Scotland trip in the summer. Midges don't like smoke.

  Not sure how sitting inside a pub smoking is a good way to assess whether midges like smoke or not.  I guess the windows might have been open? 

If you could let the ones outside the Ladybower Inn know this it would be very much appreciated as they seemed to be unphased by the plumes of smoke I was exhaling whilst sat outside on Tuesday evening.

Anyway, the main problem is the "surrounding yourself in smoke" which is virtually impossible when you are outside (much more likely if you are sat inside a pub, which is after all why its now been banned), because outside you move around and the smoke drifts on gentle breezes.  So whilst midges may well be deterred by smoke you're never going to have a cloud of smoke around you that will be sufficiently effective to stop the midges.

[Johnny Brown]

Obviously not inside the pub Einstein. If its windy there isn't a problem. If it isn't, smoke. Maybe you're inhaling too much.

[nathan.90]

But of you smell of smoke which ain't good but if you did they will smell it on you and do one


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[a dense loner]

I must apologise for my little niece finding Nathan's phone

[nathan.90]

Lol sorry guys just want to climb


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[tomtom]

It was all fine this morning - no midges at all. Not at all condensed - cave and wall all good.

All quiet, no one else from mid week Tor club was there....

[nathan.90]

Think I'm going try go in two week Saturday

If anyone wants to tag along or meet there 


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[tomtom]

Just left - all good. A little light rain but it's not hitting any of the crag low down. Even folk chuffing there.

Watch out as there was a bit of dog shit around near the cave :-/

[dunnyg]

Will it be dry tomorrow for some boulderage? Weak as fish piss and have no guide, so if anyone else is headed down that would be mint.

[Three Nine]

Dry but a bit spooged up with condensation and general dampness today. Imagine similar tomorrow.

[Nathan1990]

I'd love to get over tomorrow

[Josh Forde]

Yesterday was absolutely fantastic conditions

[erm, sam]

What are the odds the Tor and Rubicon will be extremely seepy and damp after the recent rain? High, or merely medium?

[tomtom]

What are the odds the Tor and Rubicon will be extremely seepy and damp after the recent rain? High, or merely medium?

It was perfect on tuesday morning...

(edit) I'm probably heading there tomorrow (thurs) AM...