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« on: February 19, 2017, 12:07:42 pm »
Seemed to be quite a lot chat on other threads about Yoga so it seemed sensible to start one.

For starters - any positions to avoid / be careful of with lower back issues? I ask as I've found DDogs seem to really not do mine any good....

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2017, 01:39:48 pm »
Any twists are generally good for lower backs. Start steady; I found twisted triangle poses  (straight leg and bent leg, can't remember the Sanskrit names sorry) worked my tight glutes as well which may be an inter-related problem.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2017, 04:39:02 pm »
are we talking yoga the spiritual practice, or just stretching dressed up as yoga?

if its the last id just stretch in front of the tv. i do both and think that the stretch course from gymnastic bodies is the business, it comes in 3 parts, front split middle split and bridge, its a bit pricey but is designed by an ex Olympic gymnastic coach so i think its well worth the cash and im seeing good results.

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2017, 05:31:16 pm »
I feel the need to seriously try and improve my flexibility as more and more I feel this is limiting me (particularly my relative inability to do high steps and heel hooks).

I don't have time to do an organised yoga class - so I'd be interested to hear about (preferably free) online resources to get me started - anyone got any recommendations?

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2017, 05:55:27 pm »
I asked the same question on the other channel recently and got some mixed results.
I don't know anything about the hippy/spiritual side at all, but I was looking for some stretching excercises.
The best I've found (for me, you may hate them) are the Sean Vigue ones on YouTube. Yoga moves, and mostly stretch related rather than meditation.
I've been doing different routines every morning varying from 15-40minutes and have seen really good results.
I can now touch my toes standing up yyfy.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2017, 06:41:05 pm »
mobility WOD is good, its on the youtube

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2017, 06:54:40 pm »
I feel the need to seriously try and improve my flexibility as more and more I feel this is limiting me (particularly my relative inability to do high steps and heel hooks).

I don't have time to do an organised yoga class - so I'd be interested to hear about (preferably free) online resources to get me started - anyone got any recommendations?

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When I don't have the time/desire for a full Ashtanga practice I follow Helena's videos. Series 2, Ep 1 is my favourite  :whistle:

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2017, 07:02:04 pm »
Seemed to be quite a lot chat on other threads about Yoga so it seemed sensible to start one.

For starters - any positions to avoid / be careful of with lower back issues? I ask as I've found DDogs seem to really not do mine any good....

I should have said earlier: if downward dogs are painful are you sure you have your form right? I would always recommend going along to a class if you can to get some hands-on help with form. In basic terms your body should be a perfect (ish) triangle with arms and back forming one plane (side) and legs forming the other plane (side). Shoulder blades should be extended down the back (shoulders away from ears; no hunch) and in theory elbows rotated inward so inner elbows start to point towards the ceiling.

Generally warming your lower back up before launching into downward dogs/vinyasa is a good idea if you're experiencing pain too. Try one of the flow videos as linked above.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 07:02:56 pm »
Nice one. Thanks for the tips.


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Re: Yoga
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2017, 07:10:34 pm »
are we talking yoga the spiritual practice, or just stretching dressed up as yoga?

I'm interested in your point of view on this; my experience of practicing yoga has been that having attended many different styles of classes I have never really felt that engagement wth the "spiritual" side of it is strictly necessary or pushed that hard.

I have been to classes with some chanting; i didn't join in and didn't feel pressured to. I've also been to cross-over HIIT/Yoga classes with a lot more focus on sports performance or injury recovery/management. Horses for courses.

In my opinion if a "yogercise" class is using a progression of asana's in a structured way loosely conforming to one style of yoga or another it is yoga. I take it that you disagree?

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2017, 07:18:11 pm »
http://yogastudioapp.com
If you have iPhone/iPad, spend 3.99 on this.
When doing Sharkathon this was my go to on days were I felt just too tired to do anything.
In Jan, did either the 15/30 beginner routines each day and felt much better for doing this.
This was to increase mobility in particular in the hips.
There a some downward dog poses but you could just sit these out.
In the app you can create your own class/routine, so this might be of use to you.
It's more stretching than spiritual but I enjoy the mysical background music and the soothing narration.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 07:30:29 pm »
are we talking yoga the spiritual practice, or just stretching dressed up as yoga?

if its the last id just stretch in front of the tv.

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Reading around the topic it seems there is consensus that flexibility improvement is a very slow process. You are much more likely to institutionalise that process for the long term with two or three 15 minute sessions per week at home than attending a class with all the associated cost, scheduling and logistical hassle.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 07:36:12 pm »
Seemed to be quite a lot chat on other threads about Yoga so it seemed sensible to start one.

For starters - any positions to avoid / be careful of with lower back issues? I ask as I've found DDogs seem to really not do mine any good....
I a public session I would avoid all positions that result in sphincter clenching in order that you don't fart.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 07:44:24 pm »
Seemed to be quite a lot chat on other threads about Yoga so it seemed sensible to start one.

For starters - any positions to avoid / be careful of with lower back issues? I ask as I've found DDogs seem to really not do mine any good....

I should have said earlier: if downward dogs are painful are you sure you have your form right? I would always recommend going along to a class if you can to get some hands-on help with form. In basic terms your body should be a perfect (ish) triangle with arms and back forming one plane (side) and legs forming the other plane (side). Shoulder blades should be extended down the back (shoulders away from ears; no hunch) and in theory elbows rotated inward so inner elbows start to point towards the ceiling.

Generally warming your lower back up before launching into downward dogs/vinyasa is a good idea if you're experiencing pain too. Try one of the flow videos as linked above.

Friend I was away with this weekend has had multiple back problems (inc surgery as a solution) and he does yoga - but had a private class with the teacher first - where he had some bespoke advice about what positions to avoid and how to modify positions due to his back. This is what partly worries me about trying to follow video's apps etc..

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2017, 07:55:08 pm »
Seemed to be quite a lot chat on other threads about Yoga so it seemed sensible to start one.

For starters - any positions to avoid / be careful of with lower back issues? I ask as I've found DDogs seem to really not do mine any good....

I should have said earlier: if downward dogs are painful are you sure you have your form right? I would always recommend going along to a class if you can to get some hands-on help with form. In basic terms your body should be a perfect (ish) triangle with arms and back forming one plane (side) and legs forming the other plane (side). Shoulder blades should be extended down the back (shoulders away from ears; no hunch) and in theory elbows rotated inward so inner elbows start to point towards the ceiling.

Generally warming your lower back up before launching into downward dogs/vinyasa is a good idea if you're experiencing pain too. Try one of the flow videos as linked above.

Friend I was away with this weekend has had multiple back problems (inc surgery as a solution) and he does yoga - but had a private class with the teacher first - where he had some bespoke advice about what positions to avoid and how to modify positions due to his back. This is what partly worries me about trying to follow video's apps etc..

I did that a few years ago. Two or three private sessions with a yoga teacher. I think that's a better investment of time and money than classes. Ideally you want to find one who isn't a whacko. Then again you could spend a bit more money on sessions with a physio, who is more likely to understand your body's biomechanics properly.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2017, 07:57:49 pm »
In my opinion if a "yogercise" class is using a progression of asana's in a structured way loosely conforming to one style of yoga or another it is yoga. I take it that you disagree?
i do disagree.
there are many benefits from doing "yoga" and if you get something from it then more power to ya. but doing kick ups isn't playing football and fingerboarding aint climbing.

practising asana is 1 of the 8 limbs of yoga and personally i think that if your yoga practice doesn't involve the others then your not really doing Yoga. i think that most classes focus on the asana part because that's the interesting bit to most people. i dont think most people are interested in the other parts, generally i don't see/meet a lot of people who are interested in spiritual progression and that is really what its for.
on a sidenote i very much dislike the word spiritual, too many horrible associations with flakey new age goonery, but there's not really any other word to use.
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Re: Yoga
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2017, 08:15:41 pm »
Seemed to be quite a lot chat on other threads about Yoga so it seemed sensible to start one.

For starters - any positions to avoid / be careful of with lower back issues? I ask as I've found DDogs seem to really not do mine any good....

I should have said earlier: if downward dogs are painful are you sure you have your form right? I would always recommend going along to a class if you can to get some hands-on help with form. In basic terms your body should be a perfect (ish) triangle with arms and back forming one plane (side) and legs forming the other plane (side). Shoulder blades should be extended down the back (shoulders away from ears; no hunch) and in theory elbows rotated inward so inner elbows start to point towards the ceiling.

Generally warming your lower back up before launching into downward dogs/vinyasa is a good idea if you're experiencing pain too. Try one of the flow videos as linked above.

Friend I was away with this weekend has had multiple back problems (inc surgery as a solution) and he does yoga - but had a private class with the teacher first - where he had some bespoke advice about what positions to avoid and how to modify positions due to his back. This is what partly worries me about trying to follow video's apps etc..

Any yoga class where the teacher doesn't ask each person in the class to disclose injuries or other issues and offer modified postures to suit should be retreated from fast!

I don't think 1to1 is the only solution; talk to the tutor/teacher about class sizes and/or the extend of "hands on" tuition (I've found both vary massively) before you go?

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2017, 08:50:37 pm »
In my opinion if a "yogercise" class is using a progression of asana's in a structured way loosely conforming to one style of yoga or another it is yoga. I take it that you disagree?
i do disagree.
there are many benefits from doing "yoga" and if you get something from it then more power to ya. but doing kick ups isn't playing football and fingerboarding aint climbing.

practising asana is 1 of the 8 limbs of yoga and personally i think that if your yoga practice doesn't involve the others then your not really doing Yoga. i think that most classes focus on the asana part because that's the interesting bit to most people. i dont think most people are interested in the other parts, generally i don't see/meet a lot of people who are interested in spiritual progression and that is really what its for.
on a sidenote i very much dislike the word spiritual, too many horrible associations with flakey new age goonery, but there's not really any other word to use.

Fair enough. Reminds me a lot of the "climbers who only climb indoors aren't really climbers" debate though.

Limbs (I had to look these up because it's been a while since I read the Wheel of Yogahttp://www.yogajournal.com/article/beginners/the-eight-limbs/)
1. Yama - check (although I'm not veggie so some would consider this a stern fail)
2. Niyama - check (not a temple goer but I find many opportunities for meditative contemplation)
3. Asana - check (but not as often as I should!)
4. Pranayama - check (I struggle through my practice but I occasionally use it when cycling up a big hill, focussing on climbing, paddle outs in challenging conditions)
5. Pratyahara - check (I'm not an expert but I can relate to that in many respects; it's something I experience when highly focussed)
6. Dharana - check (although rarely I would say)
7. Dhyanha - fail (I struggle with fully engaged/disengagement? Meditation)
8. Samadhi - fail

6 (debatable!) out of 8 sounds like a decent hit rate to me, personally YMMV.

I don't feel like "practising all eight limbs" is essential in any way to be honest; any practitioner is on a "path" (you did say you loved new age flannel right?  :2thumbsup:) to wherever they get to. "Achieving" transcendental ecstasy seems like quite a big ask from something I do with my spare time to keep my body and mind in better shape than they would otherwise be.

Seems to me that you have your barrier to entry for "yoga" set a leeeedle too high.

You (and others) are welcome to judge me on the basis of my comments but it don't make a blind bit of difference tbh and isn't what the thing I'm trying to describe is supposed to be about.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2017, 09:19:15 pm »
 i wasn't judging you at all, sorry if it came off that way, i was just putting across my view that by simply doing some stretching i don't think people are doing yoga, they're just stretching.
 i don't think the "indoor climbers aren't real climbers" comparison is the same because they are fully engaged in climbing, its just on plastic not rock, do you think someone who just fingerboards is a climber? i don't, they just do something that climbers do.

to practice yoga you don't have to have mastered all 8 limbs, the amount of people who are gonna attain samadhi is tiny, even a true meditative state is difficult and takes more time than most people have got. i don't think the point is to be perfect on each aspect of the 8 limbs, i just think trying to embrace them as much as possible is what its all about.

what would your barrier be for the practice of yoga? do you think just stretching while doing nothing else qualifies as yoga?
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2017, 10:36:19 pm »
I'd say yoga is the attempt to still the mind, there's a few strategies in those 8 limbs but I do think the linking of breath with postures is yoga. Postures alone- agreed, that's stretching the body, not the mind.
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Re: Yoga
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2017, 10:48:32 pm »
I'd say yoga is the attempt to still the mind, there's a few strategies in those 8 limbs but I do think the linking of breath with postures is yoga. Postures alone- agreed, that's stretching the body, not the mind.

This essentially.

Also I think one of the reasons it's such a popular activity is that people are made to feel free to take what they want from it and not have other people be overly prescriptive about what "it" is.

My long ranting post was meant to come across as more "lighthearted rant" ™ than probably came across in the reading. Apologies!

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2017, 10:57:28 pm »
I'd say yoga is the attempt to still the mind

Or an attempt perhaps? There are plenty of meditation techniques that have that objective without all the additional trappings of yoga.

Living in British Columbia it is hard to see yoga as anything other than a (very large) sub-sector of the overall fitness business. You can't swing a cat without hitting someone training to be a yoga teacher or self-consciously carrying one of those little roll-up mats to their next class. Vancouver's most notorious billionaire is Chip Wilson, the founder of Lululemon, global purveyor of yoga pants.

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2017, 01:25:45 pm »
My 2ps worth: get ye to a good class. Much of the stretching is using the agonists to stretch the antagonists. Form is all important to prevent injury (engaging core and knees for example). If you do it right you're going to get a good sweat on. I have to admit that I struggle to fit it in as much as I used to but when I was I noticed an improvement in general posture, flexibility and reduction of 'climbers hunch'.

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2017, 03:49:41 pm »
are we talking yoga the spiritual practice, or just stretching dressed up as yoga?

if its the last id just stretch in front of the tv. i do both and think that the stretch course from gymnastic bodies is the business, it comes in 3 parts, front split middle split and bridge, its a bit pricey but is designed by an ex Olympic gymnastic coach so i think its well worth the cash and im seeing good results.

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(nothing to do with yoga coming up, purely stretching)

Further to this, I looked into a few paid content courses that are available online.
The selection seems to be
1. sommers gymnastic bodies stretch courses ($225 total)
2. gold medal bodies - focussed flexibility ($95)
3. Kit Laughlin's mastery series: squat, pancake, pike, shoulders, back bend (£13.50 each)

I did quite a bit of reading into all three (form your own opinions), and eventually bought Kit Laughlin's squat, pancake and pike series.
I don't regret it one bit, despite being the cheapest by a mile.
The instruction, video production and stretches are suberb.
I'm seeing gains in just a few weeks.
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2017, 11:52:06 pm »
...and think that the stretch course from gymnastic bodies is the business, it comes in 3 parts, front split middle split and bridge, its a bit pricey but is designed by an ex Olympic gymnastic coach so i think its well worth the cash and im seeing good results

Is this accessible for beginners? I'd love to be able to bridge but haven't been able to since I was 8... Hadn't really tried until recently but can't manage this, nor a proper downward dog, or even touch my finger tips together behind my back... Work funny shift patterns so find it hard to commit to any sort of regular class so was considering this but it's such a massive outlay for something that may be well above my current abilities...

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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2017, 04:47:52 pm »
its scalable, so i think you would be fine. its in the format of a follow along video so you just do as they are doing. each stretch course is about 45 mins, you need some equipment for the bridge series, like stall bars, but im sure this can be got around with a pull bar in a doorway. there is a money back guarantee so if you dont like it just get your money back.

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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2017, 07:09:09 pm »
on instagram if an american climber likes a pic or whatever,i have  a look and everyone bar a couple always says the into yoga as well. do they think one goes with the other? or is it just americans being american? not a fan myself but thats irrelevant.

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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2017, 11:41:15 pm »
there are many benefits from doing "yoga" and if you get something from it then more power to ya. but doing kick ups isn't playing football and fingerboarding aint climbing.
practising asana is 1 of the 8 limbs of yoga and personally i think that if your yoga practice doesn't involve the others then your not really doing Yoga. i think that most classes focus on the asana part because that's the interesting bit to most people. i dont think most people are interested in the other parts, generally i don't see/meet a lot of people who are interested in spiritual progression and that is really what its for.
on a sidenote i very much dislike the word spiritual, too many horrible associations with flakey new age goonery, but there's not really any other word to use.

I entirely agree with everything you've said in this thread. Especially the last bit; this is how I feel about climbing and yoga, in fact.

The word spiritual pisses me off, but how else do you describe a feeling/ intention of progression through work, experience and faith? (That alternative sounded just as bad as spiritual...)
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2017, 12:22:15 pm »
Interesting thread.  I'm a physio, practice yoga asanas and go in for the so called spiritual side of yoga too. Anyway in answer to the original question.  There is no one size fits all when it comes to low back pain and asana/postures to avoid.  If you're serious about doing yoga asanas then go to a good class/teacher and discuss your needs.  Each asana is very specific and requires careful anatomical 'know-how' not to mention use of breathe which is probably more important.  Using a book or DVD etc can help but is no substitute. 

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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2017, 12:57:47 pm »
Some really interesting replies here - thanks..

I've been experimenting in the meantime - downloaded a yoga app (goes through a sequence of positions with some verbal instructions, pictures and ambient music :) ) and tried a couple of the routines.

Really interesting, I did 40 min on tues and weds night - and afterwards my back (and body) felt all floppy and floaty - which is good. I modified their routines a bit taking out positions I was clearly no where near doing - or were painful, and added in a couple of other positions I'd read were good for backs...

I'll probably try and get to a class/see an instructor at some point... though I've also taken the week off climbing to ease my back, which may be helping as well.

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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2017, 01:07:18 pm »
I found yoga to be quite useful to get my mind to rest a bit last year at Uni - some nights I'd try to go to bed too wired/buzzed from working and couldn't sleep.

I find the real meditative side difficult to "engage" at home, but in a class it somehow seems easier to get lost in it. As other have said, declare any injuries!  That said, I got injured at my first, and only yoga class as the instructor thought my spine was more flexible than it is and twisted me too far - cue 5 days of searing back pain!



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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2017, 01:13:53 pm »
I'll probably try and get to a class/see an instructor at some point...

Have a chat with 'Little Fire Yoga', Eithne Kane. She's down at the Depot doing classes every Tuesday and Thursday, very approachable.

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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2017, 01:16:29 pm »
People tend to think of yoga postures as stretching which isn't quite right, it's about alignment - which obviously makes you stretch in the process. They should be followed quite precisely to be effective and to avoid injuries down the line.

If you think of a series of video frames of someone moving fully and correctly into a posture, most of us can just reach a few frames into that sequence and then have to stop. See how far you body will go correctly along that process, next time it will go a bit deeper and so on. Trying to struggle towards the final position will distort everything and is potentially damaging.

That is why I think you really need a class/teacher, it's not easy checking yourself even if you know what to look for.
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2017, 02:28:53 pm »
I found yoga to be quite useful to get my mind to rest a bit last year at Uni - some nights I'd try to go to bed too wired/buzzed from working and couldn't sleep.

I find the real meditative side difficult to "engage" at home, but in a class it somehow seems easier to get lost in it. As other have said, declare any injuries!  That said, I got injured at my first, and only yoga class as the instructor thought my spine was more flexible than it is and twisted me too far - cue 5 days of searing back pain!

You did well to not go back there; crackers bad practice by the instructor.

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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2017, 02:30:24 pm »
I'll probably try and get to a class/see an instructor at some point...

Have a chat with 'Little Fire Yoga', Eithne Kane. She's down at the Depot doing classes every Tuesday and Thursday, very approachable.

Eithne's Depot classes are (I think);

Tuesday - 7pm
Thursday - 6:15pm & 8pm

She's normally milling around half an hour or so before those times. I'm sure she'd be very happy to help.

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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2017, 06:22:55 pm »
People tend to think of yoga postures as stretching which isn't quite right, it's about alignment - which obviously makes you stretch in the process.

I agree with this. I've dabbled with yoga classes before, but have recently started doing ashtanga classes once a week. "Stretching" to me implies a fairly passive activity, whereas in practice you also have to be very strong to hold many of the poses. It seems to me that people suggesting stretching in front of the TV as an alternative are missing this aspect; it's much more demanding than that.

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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2017, 08:50:50 am »
People tend to think of yoga postures as stretching which isn't quite right, it's about alignment - which obviously makes you stretch in the process. They should be followed quite precisely to be effective and to avoid injuries down the line.

do you think that the proper alignment is only down to injury prevention? or do you think theres more to it?

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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2017, 10:38:33 am »
No, not at all, but I do think bad alignment in postures will produce injuries eventually.

Asanas are a training programme as well as active meditation aren't they? They are designed to create space within joints, align bones and strengthen tissues enough so you're not strained when sitting still for extended periods of time. You can't meditate for hours with backache basically, that's the point of it.

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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2017, 10:54:31 am »
Hi All,
I went to the (early) Yoga class at the Depot last night. Only three of us in it - and I really enjoyed it. Didn't feel out of my depth or pushed to do anything uncomfortable or out of my zone. Worked my legs (thighs) much more than I thought it would, and had to stop a couple of times due to leg collapse :)

I'll try and go again...

My class also included a free session at the wall - afterwards I didnt feel like climbing at all (felt lovely and floppy) so just hung about and chatted to Galpinos for a few min and went home! So - here's aQ - better to climb before or after?

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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2017, 12:35:25 pm »
Before.
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2017, 02:43:59 pm »
Before. Clearly.

I also found that some of the postures were good for getting better at "grounding" your weight, and feeling distribution of weight for one foot to the other as you move through a sequence, which may be useful for climbing.

Or maybe I was just ommmmming out.
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Re: Yoga
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2017, 02:46:46 pm »
My class also included a free session at the wall - afterwards I didnt feel like climbing at all (felt lovely and floppy) so just hung about and chatted to Galpinos for a few min and went home!

This is why yoga, cycling, weight-lifting, etc don't help your climbing. Because you do them instead of climbing-specific things, which would be more beneficial.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2017, 02:50:56 pm »
My class also included a free session at the wall - afterwards I didnt feel like climbing at all (felt lovely and floppy) so just hung about and chatted to Galpinos for a few min and went home!

This is why yoga, cycling, weight-lifting, etc don't help your climbing if your aim is to get strong quickly. Because you do them instead of climbing-specific things, which would be more beneficial.

But maybe they are beneficial for a long, injury free climbing life?  (I was going to say "career" but that seemed a bit poncey - what's a better word?)


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Re: Yoga
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2017, 03:58:19 pm »
I started messing about with yoga as a form of stretching on rest days. Then, after various climbing-induced shoulder and back issues that physio wasn't helping, I started taking it more seriously. Took a while to find a teacher that suited me enough to make the effort to go very week. Since he emigrated, and I've become a dad, I've drifted out of it. Without ~5 years of regular yoga I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to continue climbing at the level I was at. To some extent I feel less need to do it now as my posture is much improved.

Any Ashtanga class should suits climbers pretty well. It's much harder to find someone who delivers the spiritual side at the right level to avoid alienating most of the class.

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2017, 04:01:41 pm »
But maybe they are beneficial for a long, injury free climbing life?  (I was going to say "career" but that seemed a bit poncey - what's a better word?)

No need to give it a name - "a lifetime of injury free climbing" suffices.

I wonder if it can do anything for golfer's elbow......
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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2017, 04:55:44 pm »
I've always enjoyed this video:



It's a good (long-ish) workout, she's not overly irritating, and seems kinda useful.

You can skip the looking at your thumb bit if you want to...

I've always wanted to do more Yoga, ideally as many limbs as possible but often find there's not enough time in the day - and asanas are the most accessible?

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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2017, 05:34:52 pm »

I'll probably try and get to a class/see an instructor at some point... though I've also taken the week off climbing to ease my back, which may be helping as well.

Sam Shaw yoga classes at Rockover on Wednesday and Thursday are very enjoyable. Turned me from a cynic into a convert (briefly, I've moved away from Manchester now). Pleasingly free from spiritual nonsense and all seemed relevant to climbing (well relevant to being able to move like a normal human again which has got to be good for climbing).

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2017, 08:39:42 pm »
Just found and done this, quite good I thought, she explains what she's addressing up front and is about right with what climbers generally need from yoga.  Just could do with being a bit longer in some of the positions, have to keep the remote handy to keep hitting pause

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2017, 09:49:31 am »
Anyone know of a decent class in Sheffield on a Tuesday night? Just had to change my night and at the place I currently go it's a different teacher who's a bit too Yogary for me - far too much time spent lying down with your eyes shut.
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Re: Yoga
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2017, 11:05:38 am »
Just found and done this, quite good I thought, she explains what she's addressing up front and is about right with what climbers generally need from yoga.  Just could do with being a bit longer in some of the positions, have to keep the remote handy to keep hitting pause




Worked through this on Saturday and you're right, it's pretty rapid fire. That said, I'm glad it was as a) it felt like a lot of the transitions were helping core etc and b) I'm not fit or flexible enough to hold them for longer!



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Re: Yoga
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2017, 09:39:51 am »
Anyone know of a decent class in Sheffield on a Tuesday night? Just had to change my night and at the place I currently go it's a different teacher who's a bit too Yogary for me - far too much time spent lying down with your eyes shut.

I used to live in Sheffield and I went to lots of yoga classes. You're somewhat spoilt for choice! I'd recommend 'Unity Yoga' - their studio is in town, just off West Street.
Another good studio is Hot Yoga Sheffield, I've heard that they've opened up a second studio just off Abbeydale road. Their original place is still open and runs classes in Crookes.

Just as a side note, I don't know how advanced you are in your yoga practice, but if you're after something challenging then I'd suggest going for Ashtanga-style classes - you won't be laying down with your eyes shut! Saying that - it can be quite intense.
Vinyasa flow classes are also a good option, as the name suggests there's lots of movement and transition through poses. If you do go to Unity Yoga, Lydia Ainscough is a wonderful yoga teacher and does fantastic vinyasa classes.

Also, asking the teachers directly about their classes and what you want out of them is probably the most cost effective and hassle free way of finding out whether you're going to be laying down with your eyes shut.

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« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2017, 01:26:06 am »
For the Sydney, Australia viewers, my big brother David and his wife Val own and run Yoga Hotspot in Chatswood. Quite a few climbers go there ... They sell copies of my book. Woo Hoo !
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« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2017, 08:39:09 am »
Oh and this is a good video for opening the shoulders, it's not too fast.

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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2017, 04:19:44 pm »
Just found and done this, quite good I thought, she explains what she's addressing up front and is about right with what climbers generally need from yoga.  Just could do with being a bit longer in some of the positions, have to keep the remote handy to keep hitting pause


Depending on how much longer you can always play at 75% speed, accessible under settings? I have found this useful on some other 'too quick' yoga videos

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Re: Yoga
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2017, 11:46:57 pm »
Anyone know of a decent class in Sheffield on a Tuesday night? Just had to change my night and at the place I currently go it's a different teacher who's a bit too Yogary for me - far too much time spent lying down with your eyes shut.

You don't sound very flexible.

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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2017, 09:43:04 am »
Anyone know of a decent class in Sheffield on a Tuesday night? Just had to change my night and at the place I currently go it's a different teacher who's a bit too Yogary for me - far too much time spent lying down with your eyes shut.

Did you ever find the answer? A quick browse turned up this, which looks bob on
http://www.yogaatthereach.com/timetables/
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2017, 11:47:59 am »
42 I think?

No I didn't but that could have been it, thanks very much.

Not sure how I missed that, right in the area I've been looking, could've saved me a lot at hassle.

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