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Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 01:19:58 pm
Hi guys

Looking to buy a bike for commuting to work (20 mile round trip) using the cycle2work scheme. I have only really used old crappy mountain bikes, so know almost nothing about road bikes. As far as I can see the main brands that I can choose on the scheme (stocked at Halfords or local bike shops) are Trek, Specialized, Boardman or Dawes. The Boardman bikes are probably the favourite at the moment, which agrees with some previous threads on here. I can spend a maximum of 1K but would rather spend less, especially as I will need to buy quite a bit of kit as well (shoes, helmet, lights clothing etc). Any thoughts on the following questions would be much appreciated:

1.   Any views on the companies mentioned and any experience or advice regarding individual models would be much appreciated. For example I could just about afford the carbon Boardman but doubt I really need it.
2.   I assume SPD pedals are the way to go? I have never used them but assume I will get used to them, after falling over comically at the lights a few times..
3.   Any components (gears, breaks) etc that I should avoid or look for?
4.   It will be used year round (although if the weather is really foul I will probably get the train) do people use mudguards or are these uncool?!

Any help with that lot would be great. If I had been choosing the bike I would probably have gone for the btwin from decathlon but this isn’t available on the scheme. I don’t need anything amazing but it would be nice to have a half decent bike in case I get into it!

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#1 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 01:55:49 pm
Theres quite a bit of advice on these threads to start with...
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,23549.0/all.html

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,23224.100.html

There are loads of brands to choose from, I'd probably avoid Dawes personally. Btwin are good value, are you sure they don't do C2W scheme? I thought they did. Boardman are also pretty good value for money. Are you resticted to certain shops? Edinburgh Cycle do some good value bikes.

SPDs are designed for mountain bikes and tourers, they get used quite a bit on road bikes. The benefit of using SPDs on a road bike/tourer is mainly that the shoes are easier to walk in than road cleats.

What are the road surfaces like on the route?
How good is security at your place of work?




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#2 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 01:58:15 pm
Are you going to be commuting through the winter?

I'm no bike expert but I have commuted 10 miles a day all year round for the last 3 years and bought a cyclocross bike to do the job (Specialized Tricross) rather than a road bike (roads in Sheffield are pretty heinous). It has been v reliable though the cantilever brakes are a bit crap. Chunkier gatorskin type tyres in the winter. mud guards essential. good lights and lots of them essential.

I had SPDs until I broke my foot and haven't gone back to them in case I fall off in traffic.

My mistake as a biking punter was to buy the wrong sized frame  :'(

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#3 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 02:04:08 pm
You can also use the cycle to work scheme at chainreactioncycles.com, but it is a bit more complicated. However that does mean that you can buy their well spec'd for the price Vitus bikes (thus making the choice even more complicated). Getting a quality groupset is quite important in a road bike, and you will get a higher quality one for the price than with a lot of other brands. Check out the groupsets table in wikipedia to see where they all stand - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupset Planet X are also pretty good for that. Bikes are a very personal thing though, so of course there will be loads of opinions, and you should probably just check a load out and pick what you end up liking the most depending on what's important to you.

I bought a carbon Planet X for a bit under £900 as I save much more than that on train fares per year, so even if I hammer it through the winter, it's still the cheapest way to get to work. So for your point 4. I have raceblade mudguards, though I usually only have the rear one on. They are the most commonly available ones which will actually fit to road bikes. I am also a small light person and my commute is hilly, so I wanted a very light bike after struggling up the hills on a steel tourer for a while.

I have never fallen in my SPD pedals even though I was very worried about them to begin with. For me the paranoia about falling over was enough to make sure it didn't happen. Make sure you loosen the tension in the pedals though when you get them, as they way they are sold are pretty much impossible to actually unclip (or clip in)!


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#4 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 02:05:33 pm
Theres quite a bit of advice on these threads to start with...
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,23549.0/all.html

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,23224.100.html

There are loads of brands to choose from, I'd probably avoid Dawes personally. Btwin are good value, are you sure they don't do C2W scheme? I thought they did. Boardman are also pretty good value for money. Are you resticted to certain shops? Edinburgh Cycle do some good value bikes.

SPDs are designed for mountain bikes and tourers, they get used quite a bit on road bikes. The benefit of using SPDs on a road bike/tourer is mainly that the shoes are easier to walk in than road cleats.

What are the road surfaces like on the route?
How good is security at your place of work?


Many thanks for the reply Obi. I had searched but hadn't seen those two threads.

I thought Btwin were only sold by decathlon and so had assumed they weren't included, I'll check. I work in Huddersfield, so its either Halfords or a couple of shops nearby (velocity and wheelspin).

Shows how much I know, thought SPD's were road cleats!  :slap:

The roads are pretty good all the way in and security is good as I can bring it into my office.

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#5 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 02:08:26 pm
Are you going to be commuting through the winter?

I'm no bike expert but I have commuted 10 miles a day all year round for the last 3 years and bought a cyclocross bike to do the job (Specialized Tricross) rather than a road bike (roads in Sheffield are pretty heinous). It has been v reliable though the cantilever brakes are a bit crap. Chunkier gatorskin type tyres in the winter. mud guards essential. good lights and lots of them essential.

I had SPDs until I broke my foot and haven't gone back to them in case I fall off in traffic.

My mistake as a biking punter was to buy the wrong sized frame  :'(

Thanks for the reply. Yes hopefully all year round (apart from when its really bad). I had seen the cyclocross bikes, wasnt quite sure if they were appropriate. Its getting complicated! What do you use instead of SPDs?

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#6 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 02:08:34 pm
If your not tied to a particular shop with your scheme then the Ribble audax is an excellent and very popular commuter bike - here

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#7 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 02:14:26 pm
Evil, thanks for the recommendations and comments. That table looks useful.

Reprobate_rob, the Ribble looks good and a nice price. Will look into whether its available on this scheme.

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#8 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 03:04:17 pm
Are you going to be commuting through the winter?

I'm no bike expert but I have commuted 10 miles a day all year round for the last 3 years and bought a cyclocross bike to do the job (Specialized Tricross) rather than a road bike (roads in Sheffield are pretty heinous). It has been v reliable though the cantilever brakes are a bit crap. Chunkier gatorskin type tyres in the winter. mud guards essential. good lights and lots of them essential.

I had SPDs until I broke my foot and haven't gone back to them in case I fall off in traffic.

My mistake as a biking punter was to buy the wrong sized frame  :'(

Thanks for the reply. Yes hopefully all year round (apart from when its really bad). I had seen the cyclocross bikes, wasnt quite sure if they were appropriate. Its getting complicated! What do you use instead of SPDs?

Just flat pedals

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#9 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 03:08:29 pm
I quite like the little toe clips (like mini full size clips and without the strap) as they ensure my foot goes in the right position - and you get a little pull up on them if need be...

(but I am a total cycling punter nowadays..)

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#10 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 04:46:18 pm
I'd look in the £600-800 range for the bike then get all your accessories also on the scheme. Get a decent lock, helmet, shoes, mudguards etc. Mudguards are pretty essential for commuting. They are very effective and modern ones weigh nothing and look pretty cool.

There's a lot to be said for using Cyclocross (CX) bikes as commuter/general purpose road bike.  More and more have disc brakes which are much better than any kind of rim brakes, so if you start commuting in all weathers you've got a chance of stopping when the idiot driver pulls out on you on a roundabout (had a close call last night!  :o). The frames are usually more forgiving than a standard road bike, and if you change the tyres back to standard road tyres you've got a comfy road bike with much improved brakes.

Planet X have a store in Barnsley not far from you, although they don't have a lot of cross bikes under £1000, although you might find a bargain road bike... http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBHOTR105/holdsworth-trentino-shimano-105-carbon-road-bike.

TBH if you want to stick local you wouldn't go far wrong with either of these...

Budget CX from Halfords
http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bikes/road-bikes/boardman-cx-comp-bike-2014#[object Object]

A bit more from Wheelspin...
http://www.wheelspincycles.com/bikes/cyclocross/2013-trek-crossrip/
http://www.wheelspincycles.com/bikes/cyclocross/2014-trek-crossrip-comp/

I don't know Wheelspin but my guess will be you'd get better service, more choice on accessories and a lot more knowledge than Halfords. But there's nothing stopping you buying from Halfords then taking it to your LBS for servicing etc.

You could get more for your money online but it's well worth sitting on a bike and checking your happy with the size.

Regarding group sets, most sub-£1000 bikes will have Shimano kit. The nice thing about even the cheapest Shimano stuff is they just work and are pretty well put together. Your probably get Sora or Tiagra or a mixture both of which are fine, if you find a sale bargain it might have some 105 on it but TBH you'll not notice any difference in use to the cheaper versions.

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#11 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 05:56:59 pm
Got home to a flyer from Edinburgh cycles. http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/revolution-cross-sport-disc-14?bct=browse%2fbicycles%2froad-bikes these are on sale at £599 from the weekend. Leeds is probably your closest store.

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#12 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 07:44:53 pm
My personal experience with wheel spin is not great. I bought my bike a trek 1.1from them but never got the feeling I was getting a good service. I took my bike there for a service the other week to give them another chance but again the service did not feel great.
I live less than half a mile from wheelspin which is why I went back. Also think they sized me a 56in and I think I need a 58in frame.

If velocity is the place in lindley there online reviews are similar to my view of wheelspin. Bought some bits from the him. My mate had his bike serviced and was happy with the result but was slow.

However I was very happy with the service from try cycling in kirkburton. They serviced my bike after ended up on the bonnet of a van. Also bought cleats and set up my mud guards. He also adjusted my seat when he saw got me to ride round as I was learning to get in and out of cleats. Seat was set up by wheelspin

Can't advise you on bikes as I don't know enough but can give personal experience of hudds cycling shops
Where are you cycling to and from?

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#13 Re: Road bike advice
August 20, 2014, 08:58:01 pm
Got home to a flyer from Edinburgh cycles. http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/revolution-cross-sport-disc-14?bct=browse%2fbicycles%2froad-bikes these are on sale at £599 from the weekend. Leeds is probably your closest store.
that's great value and exactly the sort of bike I'd go for if I were commuting. Cross bikes are so much more suitable for general hacking too and from work.

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#14 Re: Road bike advice
August 21, 2014, 10:19:02 am
Got home to a flyer from Edinburgh cycles. http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/revolution-cross-sport-disc-14?bct=browse%2fbicycles%2froad-bikes these are on sale at £599 from the weekend. Leeds is probably your closest store.

That looks really good, but unfortunately they aren't included in this scheme, nor are planetx or ribble. The basic boardman cx bike is winning at the moment.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

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#15 Re: Road bike advice
August 21, 2014, 10:36:35 am
Check which shops are on your scheme, and keep an eye on their websites over the next month or so, if you aren't up against any specific deadline. The 2015 bikes will be getting released soon, so a lot of 2014 bikes will be reduced for sale.

I can't offer any advice on roadbikes, but a few people here have bought bikes from Halfords on the scheme and said the technical backup has been dire. I freely admit this may vary from store to store, but they are essentially a car parts shop, so not sure what else to expect?

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#16 Re: Road bike advice
August 21, 2014, 11:09:33 am
Have you got some unusual scheme with your work then? Planet X accept quite a few - http://www.planetx.co.uk/cycle-scheme

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#17 Re: Road bike advice
August 21, 2014, 11:21:10 am
Its the cycle2work scheme run by halfords. They do include some independent shops but not planetx among others unfortunately.

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August 21, 2014, 11:24:52 am
Ah. It is annoying there are so many schemes!

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#19 Re: Road bike advice
August 21, 2014, 11:33:20 am
Something else on pedals, most bikes ship with cheap flat pedals (or no pedals at all on more expensive bikes  :shrug:). Fine to get started with but with a regular ride clipping in will be much more efficient. Another advantage of SPDs is you can get single sided SPD touring pedals, so you have the option of using either SPD shoes or normal shoes (if for example your only pair of SPDs get soaked on the way home the previous night)  :'(

http://www.halfords.com/cycling/cycling-parts/pedals-pegs/shimano-pd-a530-spd-single-sided-touring-bike-pedals

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#20 Re: Road bike advice
August 22, 2014, 09:54:17 am
Something else on pedals, most bikes ship with cheap flat pedals (or no pedals at all on more expensive bikes  :shrug:). Fine to get started with but with a regular ride clipping in will be much more efficient. Another advantage of SPDs is you can get single sided SPD touring pedals, so you have the option of using either SPD shoes or normal shoes (if for example your only pair of SPDs get soaked on the way home the previous night)  :'(

http://www.halfords.com/cycling/cycling-parts/pedals-pegs/shimano-pd-a530-spd-single-sided-touring-bike-pedals

Those look like an excellent option for me to build up confidence too. Thanks

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#21 Re: Road bike advice
September 22, 2014, 03:07:07 pm
Many thanks for all the advice. UKb comes up trumps again!

I went for the boardman cx bike and it seems great. Think I will be glad of the disk breaks through winter.

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#22 Re: Road bike advice
September 22, 2014, 03:10:41 pm
Nice one. Yeah, when I upgrade I will definitely get something with disc brakes.

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#23 Re: Road bike advice
September 22, 2014, 03:13:12 pm
They seem really good, although I have to be careful not to break too hard or I'm likely to end up over the handlebars!

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#24 Re: Road bike advice
September 22, 2014, 08:09:10 pm
finally ordered my CX bike mainly for commuting on cycle to work scheme today which our company does through cycle solutions.
Ended up getting a cannondale caadx tiagra 2015 model (105's not back in stock until Novemeber) and the same shimano pedals as Toby posted above.
I'm going to wait until I've got the bike and rode it for a bit before buying anything else but will definately kitting it our with mudguards etc for winter commuting (already got lights - see budget bike light thread)
What are the options for footwear on the spd's?
I don't want anything too trainerish as hopefully I'll be on the bike 95% of the time but just need to be able to walk to the locker room at work.
Also options for good locks that I can keep at work so don't have to lug about?
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