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Censorship
July 04, 2014, 03:57:59 pm
A suggestion:
It's a strange world in which discussions which are appropriate to have with school children in a classroom are considered requiring of total censorship, deletion, in a climbing forum.

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#1 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:17:51 pm
There is no suggestion in what you've written, merely a stated opinion that you think something is strange.

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#2 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:23:28 pm
And what you had written in the other thread, would have had been your supervisor led me to get you on the next safe guarding children course.

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#3 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:24:07 pm
There is no suggestion in what you've written, merely a stated opinion that you think something is strange.

The implicit suggestion is perfectly clear to you and all.

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#4 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:26:27 pm
And what you had written in the other thread, would have had been your supervisor led me to get you on the next safe guarding children course.

Unjumbling this sentence, I presume you'd like to send me on such a course? Been on plenty thanks. You're being ridiculous.

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#5 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:43:28 pm
I was a little surprised the thread was logged and locked... :/

It seemed more that the topic rather than the discussion was controversial... Still UKB is a modestly commercial operation so.......

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#6 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:48:21 pm
I was a little surprised the thread was logged and locked... :/

It seemed more that the topic rather than the discussion was controversial... Still UKB is a modestly commercial operation so.......

It should have been logged. I wouldn't even complain hugely if it got locked. But no - it's been entirely 'disappeared'. That'll teach me to diss the DailyFail.  :P

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#7 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:52:55 pm
And what you had written in the other thread, would have had been your supervisor led me to get you on the next safe guarding children course.

Unjumbling this sentence, I presume you'd like to send me on such a course? Been on plenty thanks. You're being ridiculous.

You've been on courses, really  :???: did they extent to ethics, philosopy or related subjects?

Given what you claim to do for a living I'd be sending Shark a thank you note; it's one thing to be an ignorant lefty f-kwit (that accounts fro a fair % of teachers) but to advocate your views of the morailty of such a contentious subject is not a good idea.

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#8 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 04:54:34 pm
The implicit suggestion is perfectly clear to you and all.

We're not playing...



Just say what you bloody mean. 

That goes for all posts, not just in this thread, as you could have been a lot clearer a lot earlier on in the posts that got log-piled and locked too. Its actually really useful on forums because there is no visual communication nor the ability instantaneously correct/responsed to what someone has said when its not clear.

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#9 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 05:04:23 pm
it looks like the chap in the picture is having a bit of a 'grumble'.

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#10 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 05:09:24 pm
And what you had written in the other thread, would have had been your supervisor led me to get you on the next safe guarding children course.

Unjumbling this sentence, I presume you'd like to send me on such a course? Been on plenty thanks. You're being ridiculous.

You've been on courses, really  :???: did they extent to ethics, philosopy or related subjects?

Given what you claim to do for a living I'd be sending Shark a thank you note; it's one thing to be an ignorant lefty f-kwit (that accounts fro a fair % of teachers) but to advocate your views of the morailty of such a contentious subject is not a good idea.

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#11 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 05:36:02 pm
There is no suggestion in what you've written, merely a stated opinion that you think something is strange.

Presumably the suggestion is that "It's a strange world in which...". I don't consider that too awkward a sentence, ok, so maybe "I think that", would be better than the "I would suggest that" which the OP effectively opens with, but that pretty pedantic.

Anyway, I was surprised the thread disappeared, essentially it's just a debate around whether thoughts are immoral or only acting on those thoughts. (Albeit not necessarily expressed in the best way to get reasonable debate.) On that issue I'd probably err towards Sam's assertion that thoughts in themselves shouldn't be considered immoral. Certainly I'd not be comfortable with holding people to account for simply having certain thoughts. A dangerous path to go down IMO (I'm less interested in the bit about how much morals are a social construct vs absolute)

The dumb thing about that thread was the title that the moderators used to split it.

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#12 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 05:40:38 pm
+1 what Barrows said.

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#13 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 06:31:18 pm
Clearly if you have been on courses and you believe that people are born with a sexual attraction to children, then you must have been not listening or asleep. You should try some reading on human behaviour.

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#14 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 06:35:01 pm
This was the kind of relativistic guff that PIE and others used to gain support and infiltrate left wing and anarcho groups in the 70's and 80's.

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#15 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 07:15:51 pm
What TomTom said about what Barrows said.

I too thought it 'strange' (decipher really required Slackers? I got it) that Sam's thread got deleted. That's not to say I thought it was a good thread or subject for this forum - Sam, if you want to philosophise on a climbing forum about the morality of having 'certain' thoughts versus the acting out of those thoughts, then I suggest you could have a less chaotic time by choosing a less inflammatory topic than paedophilia; a more fruitful debate might then be had. Or you could have the debate about 'paedophilic thoughts versus paedophuilc actions' on some other forum that has a greater population of philosopher-types and less - you know - climbers...

I think I agree in principle that, as long as thoughts remain in the domain of a person's own mind, they remain outside community's 'morals'. Can of worms emoticon doesn't really do it justice though does it!!

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#16 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 08:00:02 pm
It's a bit UKC deleting a thread just because it's a bit controversial. Can't stand that censorship over there.

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#17 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 08:12:14 pm
UKCensored. The clue's in the name innit - the number of climbers (and decent sensible people afaik) - censored from AlanJames'worldview.com is really totting up. I hope UKB's owners don't start deleting posts that show their line of t-shirts and hoodies in a bad light (cheapo labour???) and start adopting a UKC-style censorship policy.

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#18 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 08:19:26 pm
Normally I would entirely agree with the stance of not deleting threads; however taking a wider view, the thread in question presented a risk that if materialised lead to someone losing their job and that's far too a price to pay for writing something stupid on the internet.

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#19 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 08:20:57 pm
I didn't even see that the posts had been spilt into another thread. Just saw they'd disappeared.

Whatever the subject matter, I'm pretty unimpressed with posts being deleted without any discussion beforehand. Don't expect that on here.

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#20 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 08:25:24 pm
I haven't got a ffucking clue what any of you are on about.

That is all.

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#21 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 08:30:40 pm
Don't really care, just Sam and Sloper flirting. Don't just delete stuff, leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

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#22 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 09:25:57 pm
I also wrote something on the original thread and all I know is that my post was deleted, along with some other ones. I didn't see the posts split onto a separate thread.

Last time I had something I'd written deleted with no explanation it was Mick Ryan on UKC trying to prevent me from making him look a total dick. I don't post on UKC any more.

I realise this isn't as malicious at all but it's still a bit disappointing.

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#23 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 09:31:14 pm
OK I found the deleted thread. Nothing in there to me that warranted deletion, but then I don't pay the bills. Its just nonce sense.

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#24 Re: Censorship
July 04, 2014, 10:52:21 pm
Pretty sure I commented on that thread...

Cannot now even remember which thread it was...

I suspect the reason for the removal was entirely the protection of Sam's position as most of the response was (whilst vehement) un-controversial.

So, it seems reasonable and only "technically" censorship.

No?


And Sam is not the most tactful of posters, nor is he prone humility.

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#25 Re: Censorship
July 05, 2014, 08:48:50 am
Nice one Dave you even tried to be funny in that post.

I agree with sloper.

There are only a few subject matters I would expect to be deleted as soon as some self righteous type starts going on. As I've said before more people than us read on here, some may not be as forgiving as our educated good selves. They could possibly misunderstand nearly every one of a persons posts, although I don't see how that could happen. We all know there's no such thing as free speech so if people want to discuss topic matters like that I'm sure they could buy their own website and do it there.

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#26 Re: Censorship
July 05, 2014, 09:08:12 am
Matt - actually most of the responses were kneejerk reaction to a misinterpretation of what Sam meant, mainly due to confusion over definitions. From the base argument I'd say their view is quite controversial, since it leads down a road towards 'thought police' and the like. The fact that dense used the word 'forgiving' in his post above shows that he's still not understood the argument as far as I can tell, or hasn't thought about it if he has. Sam didn't help that by not making his point clear from the off, and then writing a bunch of rather verbose and slightly pretentious posts. However it wasn't actually him that kicked it off, it was a post which was either a brilliant troll or utterly moronic daily mailesque crap by Nigel.

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#27 Re: Censorship
July 05, 2014, 10:03:38 am
i understood the posts perfectly alex

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#28 Re: Censorship
July 05, 2014, 01:03:22 pm
OK I found the deleted thread. Nothing in there to me that warranted deletion, but then I don't pay the bills. Its just nonce sense.
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