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#175 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 18, 2014, 11:00:44 pm
Lv that article

Me too.. Don't know what to think of it.. But a great great read!!!

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#176 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 01:15:48 pm
"Looks like it makes a big difference. Bit naff how the video/McColl made no mention of this minor detail whatsoever."

..well the elephant in the room sat on the cameraman at that point. One of the most icon moves on limestone too.

"Sean Mccolls Twitter :'@mccollsean: Not necessarily easier because it takes a while to put the knee bar in, which is harder than one foot.  it's so hard to put in right, I doubted if it was worth it...'"

..but clearly, on balance, it is! Really poor not to have at least some kneeage of him trying it both ways.

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#178 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 01:38:53 pm
I also found Mammut's captioning of the photograph of Hubble to be more than a little misleading: "Sean Mccoll Climbing Hubble" rather than "attempting". Some of the comments below clearly hadn't watched the video or even knew the outcome; job done.

It seems many manufacturers have forgotten how vital captioning is, especially when you get get breathtaking pics on a "FA" that are clearly taken after the fact... Advertisers eh  :jab:

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#179 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 02:16:02 pm
This whole thing is distasteful and the film is wank. Ben's demeanor in the clip may just be Ben being Ben but it's certainly appropriate.

Good post Dave.

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#180 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 04:57:54 pm
Not his fault, just feels like Mammut trying to gloss over a few facts so as to tie up their series neatly. Shame as it's been really good other than this.

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#181 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 05:06:45 pm
Not his fault, just feels like Mammut

Its not Mammut making out it was wet - when it wasn't particularly and tweeting that the kneebar doesn't make that much difference when it evidently does make a difference and that a better pad would have made more of a difference. 

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#182 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 05:21:46 pm
Burn the witch!!

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#183 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 05:26:06 pm
Christ will someone just go and pull Sean's innards out by his throat for having an opinion

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#184 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 06:01:03 pm
Blimey - I quite liked the video and thought it was a decent effort given how much time he had vs.  conditions.

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#185 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 06:17:50 pm
I like how everyone knows that the kneebar makes a big difference except for the person who's actually tried using it. Maybe it does, but you can't tell shit by watching a video, so until someone uses it and says otherwise I'll take his word for it

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#186 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 06:48:57 pm
The whole point of "Revisiting the Classics" is to take a step back in time and see how modern climbers fare on groundbreaking routes of yesteryear and to give some context of what the route represented. To break out a kneepad without even commenting that at the time a kneebar let alone a kneepad wasn't used and then comment he had the wrong make of kneepad is scarcely the lack of historical perspective you should expect from him or a series like this.

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#187 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 07:07:20 pm
Knee bar ethics/arguments/blah blah blah aside, it is a log film - especially given the others in the series have been great.

Its also possible for us in the UK to get a bit precious about the enigma that is Hubble. But again, that aside, compared to the other films its just crap. No chemistry, no great feel for the characters, not much about the history of the route - and a load of footage of the top part thats not really part of the story.

Back around Mammut..

(edit) meh.. probably shouldn't have bothered posting the above......
« Last Edit: August 19, 2014, 07:12:24 pm by tomtom »

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#188 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 08:06:16 pm
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#189 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 08:29:13 pm
Is there any unedited footage of hubble sending? 

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#190 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 10:50:09 pm
To break out a kneepad without even commenting ... is scarcely the lack of historical perspective you should expect from him or a series like this.

How much lack of historical perspective should we expect?  :-\ I thought Mammut had achieved rather well in that regard with anachronistic neoprene nonsense tbh

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#191 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 19, 2014, 11:08:23 pm
It's fair enough to call foul on this in the context of films 'supposedly' paying homage to classic test-pieces. If Anna Stohr had found a minging crimp to tek her way around the dyno on Rose et le Vampire, and found a way of missing out the rose move we'd all think it was a load of shit. Same here with Hubble.

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#192 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 05:46:05 am
Is there any unedited footage of hubble sending? 

I would guess the McClure footage is actual send footage, but just curious.

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#193 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 07:59:34 am

It's fair enough to call foul on this in the context of films 'supposedly' paying homage to classic test-pieces. If Anna Stohr had found a minging crimp to tek her way around the dyno on Rose et le Vampire, and found a way of missing out the rose move we'd all think it was a load of shit. Same here with Hubble.

Very well put.

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#194 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 09:34:37 am
I think it's time we all had another look at this one again to cheer ourselves up.




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#195 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 10:59:19 am
Go on then.

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#196 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 11:03:58 am
That's cool as F**K!

Hadn't seen that!

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#197 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 12:48:40 pm
Since Ben's in focus in this thread, a little anecdote.

I saw him fail on La Rage one evening, (the extension of La Rose which adds an 8a+ to the top of the crag). Presently he had another go but fell really high, on the very last hard move near the top of the crag.

Game over I guessed really, since he'd just done the Rose and most of an 8a+ on top twice in quick succession, so I started my hitch back to Apt.

When I got to the campsite he was already there (having a car of course).

Having just redpointed the route.

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#198 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 12:54:07 pm
Having just redpointed the route.

Waddage  :strongbench:

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#199 Re: Mammut Reclimbing the Classics
August 20, 2014, 06:22:19 pm
Is there any unedited footage of hubble sending? 

I would guess the McClure footage is actual send footage, but just curious.

No it was filmed later. Doesn't matter in that case, its a good film and crucially Steve has actually climbed it.

 

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