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#75 Re: Repeated lower back issues
February 26, 2014, 10:42:41 am
I really don't know where to start...

With my split life existence I dont know whether to look for one in Hull or in Manchester - online/yellow pages has loads in both places - and most talk about back problems..

Tom, my wife rates Didsbury physio, http://didsburyphysio.co.uk/, though she does play hockey with a few of them (half her team are physios). She has regular sports massages there and has had teatment for piriformis syndrome and various other bits and bobs. Drop me a text if you need anymore info.

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#76 Re: Repeated lower back issues
February 26, 2014, 10:52:21 am
I have had good experieces of Sportsmed in stockport. Tim the gaffer there is more money than everybody else in the practise but worth it in my experience.
http://www.sport-med.co.uk/

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#77 Re: Repeated lower back issues
February 26, 2014, 11:02:57 am
Thanks Sam & Galpinos.. I'll have a look at both of them...

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#78 Re: Repeated lower back issues
February 26, 2014, 01:38:40 pm
With my split life existence I dont know whether to look for one in Hull or in Manchester - online/yellow pages has loads in both places - and most talk about back problems..

MrsTT had a load (6-9 months worth) of osteopath sessions down the road from her - but that seemed to make things a bit worse and as someone said to her - if it wasnt working after a couple of months he was either bad or osteo was the wrong option. This contributes to my distrust/concern/uncertainty...

I'm not anything medical etc.
Physio/Osteo/Chiro etc. for the sort of acute back pain you're suffering is a patch not a cure, but a good physio should help with getting relief from acute back pain. Seeing a substandard one is like throwing £30 - £45 in the bin. The important bit is learning what needs doing to avoid further flare-ups like you're now experiencing.
I've been through the whole unresolved back pain process - from suffering years of flare-ups, seeing physios/chiros/osteos/acupunctures/podiatrists, numerous disc issues and sciatica, mri's; to epidural injection; further disc issues/sciatica, to spinal surgery; followed by recovery/change of poor long-term movement habits. All via about 25 different physio's, chiro's and osteo's, a podiatrist and 3 different surgeons.
If I could change anything it would be to have found good advice about doing corrective stabilisation exercises, described below, and to have done them at the beginning of symptoms!

I'm guessing that you, being an academic with climbing as a hobby, do a lot of sitting and possibly a lot of driving, probably have some 'head forward'/slumped posture from using a PC, are fairly active outside of work and therefore have some muscle imbalances at play which add stress to an already stressed structure (your spine). Unknowns like predispositions to injury in the spinal area you may have been born with and you can't do much about.
Your back needs movement/flexibility i.e. not being in one position (sitting or standing) for too long, and it needs stability from the large back muscles and from the various small stabiliser muscles that protect the spine during movement. It's likely your large back muscles are more than strong enough (and probably over-active, like now) and some of your back's stabilser muscles are imbalanced/turned off.

Working the stabiliser muscles is a lot more subtle and counter-intuitive (was for me) than working the abs and large back muscles i.e. the 'movement muscles' worked by deadlifting, sit-ups, lat pull-downs etc. Targeting these involves doing some very specific combined balance and endurance exercises which you won't learn how to properly do from a physio handout or off a website. You need to be led through them, the best (but most expensive) way is 1-to-1 coaching rather than a class. Then you need to keep doing them over a sustained period of time. Together with an adjustment of poor movement habits and lifestyle stuff like sitting for too long, screen height etc. etc.
The stabilisation exercises are similar to pilates in that they're designed to train/improve the co-ordination and endurance of the whole kinetic chain but with, I believe, more of an emphasis on the endurance and switching on of the stabiliser muscles through the movements whereas pilates has more of an emphasis on flexibility through the movement - that could be wrong I'm no pilates expert.

As far as physio's, ones with MACP accreditation have a higher level of training than standard physio's in the sort of manipulation that can be effective for relieving acute back pain : https://www.macpweb.org/home/index.php?p=1
I saw this person years ago in Sale who was very good, (gave short-term relief from a back flare-up in one visit): https://www.macpweb.org/home/index.php?p=18&id=714&page=1

For the corrective exercises/movement mechanics (the important bit) you'll have to dyor. I'm lucky to have found a very good person in north wales.

I sent Monolith some useful notes on general back care given to me by my surgeon, I'll pm them to you.

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#79 Re: Repeated lower back issues
February 26, 2014, 02:39:35 pm

I sent Monolith some useful notes on general back care given to me by my surgeon, I'll pm them to you.


Would you mind posting them please ? (understand that they may be personal so you might not want to)

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#80 Re: Repeated lower back issues
March 09, 2016, 03:47:39 pm
Quite some time on but a distillation of the MRI I (finally) received recently. I had been admitted through the NHS physio system but it really didn't seem to be helping greatly. That said, one year on I'm managing to fell run with only moderate discomfort and even managed to climb two boulder problems at Ysgo recently.

"Conclusion: L5 pars defect with grade 1 spondylolistthesis. Inferiorly migrating right paracentral disc extrusion at L4/5 level which impinges on the right L5 nerve root."

Thankfully Matt Donnelly is firmly qualified in this area and has been advising me on the condition/s much better than my GP was able to. A referral to the spinal specialists is available if I want it. For now, carry on conditioning I suppose.

Hill running has really seemed to help by strengthening my quads/calf muscles and core. I have to be a bit granny-like on descents for now but hopefully this will change in time.

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#81 Re: Repeated lower back issues
March 10, 2016, 10:39:36 am

"Conclusion: L5 pars defect with grade 1 spondylolistthesis. Inferiorly migrating right paracentral disc extrusion at L4/5 level which impinges on the right L5 nerve root."


What does this translate to; compressed vertebra, herniation or what?

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#82 Re: Repeated lower back issues
March 10, 2016, 01:56:08 pm
I understand it to be a bit of a mish mash down there! It's such a complex part of the body my tiny mind can't comprehend it very well. Matt's explanation was good and I now know what to avoid (leg lifts, feet on kickboard etc.).

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#83 Re: Repeated lower back issues
March 10, 2016, 02:27:24 pm
Any idea how you did it? I've apparently got a compressed vertebra caused by an impact at some point, but not sure which of many "incidents" caused it either individually or cumulatively.

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#84 Re: Repeated lower back issues
March 14, 2016, 07:39:44 am
Once you get further down the road to recovery with a professional physio (or whoever), I'd suggest Pilates as a great - and cost effextive - transition out of 1-on-1 physio. After my worst back pain episode i did an 8 week pilates thing and was amazed how similar the exs were to the physio ones. I know a number of sufferers who swear by it too.

Personally I love yoga, but with no background in it and poor flexibility it's easy to overdo it in the heat of a class (and the inevitable hot chicks make that more likely for most too!). Sticking to beginners classes, staying at the back, and listening to your own body all mitigate this risk somewhat. Some would also say avoiding ashtanga/vinyasa/ flow types and sticking to hatha or iyengar given your history (can of worms...).

 

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